[peteretep]

> Spoofing is real, and not easy to track down depending on the resources you have at your disposal

Mmm, but some Canadian or American legal entity is bridging these onto the phone network, and needs to be doing its due diligence better.

[tempestn]

The problem is that the way the phone system is currently set up, it is not possible to do this due diligence. That is what's being worked on.

[dmurray]

This is mostly true, but it would be worked on a lot harder if the companies involved had a financial incentive to work on it. Currently the scammers pay their bills and the incentives work the other way - it's best for them to say they are working on it but drag their feet.

[kerkeslager]

You think "people are switching away from using the traditional phone system entirely" isn't enough incentive? And how, exactly, does an Indian scammer paying a bill to an Indian telco incentivize US telcos to drag their feet? You can blame the Indian telcos, but they also don't have incentives to tolerate scammers--their business would benefit a lot more if calls from Indian numbers weren't automatically assumed to be scams.

While you don't understand the problem, you can't possibly have anything of value to say about the solution.

There may well be perverse incentives causing certain entities to tolerate scammers, but we shouldn't pretend we know what those perverse incentives are when we can't even trace the calls. On the other hand, it is much more likely that once the spoofing problem is solved, the incentives are all already in place and the vast majority of scam calls will be solved.

If a rational person only knows how to use a hammer, they pause when they come across a problem that isn't a nail. But when the HN crowd comes across a problem that isn't immediately solved by incentives, they argue that the people who actually are qualified to solve the problem with other tools, should be using incentives!

[m-p-3]

Exactly why STIR/SHAKEN is currently being deployed. That's the issue with widespread legacy systems, you can't pull it out and rebuild from scratch without causing a major disruption.

[gvjddbnvdrbv]

Is that entity not a common carrier?