[econcon]

>Yeah this is basically redpill/PUA crap combined with a hearty dose of American puritanism. Maybe both men and women who believe in this stuff should find each other instead of trying to give advice to the rest of us.

I'd say it's better to demonstrate what's wrong with their advice instead of labeling them and rejecting everything they say or stand for outright.

>Maybe both men and women who believe in this stuff should find each other instead of trying to give advice to the rest of us.

Their strategy doesn't work if other options are available. If you demand herculean efforts in order to reach intimacy then highly likely the partner will lose hope or give up and go for someone easy and if this happens many times then the person demanding efforts is going to waste a lot of time without running into someone who is ready to expend that much effort. But yes, if everyone demands herculean effort then probability of finding someone who puts herculean effort goes up drastically.

[throwaway41968]

I don't get this comment. Subjectively, how am I supposed to justify that I find PUA crap repulsive? I just do. Objectively, how am I supposed to prove that it's of any use when literal billions of people live happy relationships without the use of any of that stuff?

>Their strategy doesn't work if other options are available.

Maybe they should rethink their strategy then (by the way, what a lovely word to use when dealing with romantic interests).

[econcon]

>I don't get this comment. Subjectively, how am I supposed to justify that I find PUA crap repulsive? I just do.

FDS differs from PUA in that they want to settle for a man who is valuable to them and PUA just goes through women one after another even if you manage to get laid with one woman, it doesn't stop anywhere.

>Maybe they should rethink their strategy then (by the way, what a lovely word to use when dealing with romantic interests).

>Objectively, how am I supposed to prove that it's of any use when literal billions of people live happy relationships without the use of any of that stuff?

We don't know that billions of those people are happy. Were slaves happy before slavery was abolished? Were women happy before feminism?

I am a guy who never used to get much attention from women but I read FDS and I see lots of women there have had very bad experience with men who they just fell in love with, who they didn't clearly vet and they suffer consequence of this in terms of abuse, being raped or consigning debt etc...

Their strategy is now focused on avoiding those men who have destroyed their life.