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by mdszy 2320 days ago
So another random coin that isn't actually going to solve anything because it's just being thrown at a problem randomly like blockchain always is. Nice.
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DNS tlds as they exist today are in centralized control by ICANN, a California public benefit corporation. Recently, activity originating from ICANN including removing price caps on .org [1] and the .org billion dollar sale [2] have brought the community to alarm [3].

SSL certificates can be issued by any of the CAs. Multiple CAs can issue SSL certificates for the same namespace. This has led to some activity that has weakened internet security [4].

Handshake gives control of the root zone away from ICANN, a California corporation, to the blockchain and community consensus and strengthens internet security, removing trust from the equation as everything is verifiable on chain. Applying blockchain in this way uniquely solves these problems and gives control over the internet that we all love, back to the people.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/07/icann-eliminates...

[2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-internet-domain-sale/inte...

[3] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/12/global-ngo-community-d...

[4] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/01/alrea...

Even if we stipulate to all of these points, why would anyone believe that the sponsors of this protocol are entitled to profit from it? See, for instance, Handshake.org's discussion of the "10 million dollar grant" it offers to FOSS developers.
If the chain benefits people, the sponsors are likely to profit. Early in the life of any public protocol, there will be some discovery process while word gets out and early use cases are tested: for public blockchains, that process includes price discovery.

I don't think that means the sponsors of the protocol are entitled to profit: they also took risk by putting up initial capital. The downside is capped in that if the project doesn't go anywhere and the coin goes to 0, FOSS projects that received $10.6mm benefitted.

To say the least, that is not normally how we manage and incentivize core Internet protocols.
I get that this looks very weird from the perspective of someone who’s been around since the early days of internet mass adoption. ICANN is basically a US-controlled bureaucracy, and bureaucracies are something that we’ve had for a long time and know the pros and cons of. And in fact ICANN has done a remarkably great job of what can only be described as a job from hell—coordinating the interests of a bajillion conflicting parties in one of the worlds most valuable digital assets.

That said, I hope you won’t write this off just because it looks weird. After all, the internet itself looked extremely weird for years (and arguably was at its most fun and interesting during that weird period.)

Handshake solves some real problems with the existing domain root zone system. Perhaps most interestingly to you, it trivially makes certificate pinning decentralized, and relieves us of the need to trust an increasingly obviously untrustworthy set of CAs. Further, it lets people hold domains anonymously, and creates something much more akin to actual ownership than the sort of “at the whim of the crown” perpetual renting that is available under ICANN.

Finally, handshake was designed from the ground up to be maximally compatible with the existing ICANN system. While we’ve identified serious problems with that system, we also have huge respect for it, and are well aware that for the near future Handshake’s usefulness will be very dependent on it being a “yes, and” rather than an “either, or”

Anyway, hopefully you can look past the novelty and weirdness of what we’re proposing and evaluate it substantively—your feedback would be immensely valuable

Great question. The design notes paper [1] does an excellent job explaining this:

## Financial Contributors and Pricing - 7.5%

A total of $10,200,00 USD have been allocated to purchasers to price the initial value of the coins for 7.5% of the total supply, with a total valuation of the initial coin supply at $136,000,000.

100% of the dollars raised are being given to non-profits and FOSS projects, and FOSS communities such as hackerspaces. This is effectively a one-way non-destructive "proof-of-burn" on the dollar side to price the coins.

The role of coin purchasers is critical as an initial stakeholder in the growth of the project. The purchasers have been curated to maximize effective change by primarily allocating funds to Venture Capitalists and Token Funds with specialty in the cryptocurrency and decentralized internet ecosystem. Many of these purchasers have been effective in disrupting entire industries and have been involved in large-scale growth of internet services (some even across generations).

The existence of these participants are necessary and fundamental in pricing the tokens, as the distribution event requires real value to be established (a sale of 1% of total initial supply is not credible in pricing the tokens). Additionally, the sale has occurred as close to launch/announcement as possible.

Other projects replicating this mechanism may require greater capital to fund development and/or greater claim to the Pre-Launch Development allocation. This may result in not having a one-way "proof-of-burn", and instead use the capital to fund development of the project.

The role of pricing the coins for distribution is necessary as the coins need to have understood value during the distribution process. While it would ostensibly be ideal to spin-up projects and deploy blockchains without this mechanism, there may be insufficient coordination and ex-ante expectations of value. The role of the high-reputation Venture Capital provides a tastemaker function which provides a signal and Schelling Point for potentially economically and socially valuable projects. These entities are a significant stakeholder in the current ecosystem and a continuing game for project selection and curation may persist as a result ("putting your money where your mouth is"). [1]

[1] https://handshake.org/files/handshake.txt

> I find the words confusing [1] and incompatible [2][3].

1 - for Handshake, VCs are 'used' primarily as a signal to price the coins - like in Bitcoin, the asset having a price helps on many dimensions, for example, security (miners mine it).

2 - in Handshake, unlike most VC projects and startups - the capital raised was not used to pay salaries or enrich the developers building it - development was funded by other means. This is what is meant by "one-way non-destructive 'proof-of-burn'" -> in fact, it's not really a burn but a generative action since funds were donated to FOSS projects that put the capital to use!

That's why 1 and 2 are not incompatible.

Can you explain this in a simpler way? I find the words confusing [1] and incompatible [2][3]. For example:

[1] > "The role of the high-reputation Venture Capital provides a tastemaker function which provides a signal and Schelling Point"

[2] > "100% of the dollars raised are being given to non-profits and FOSS projects"

[3] > "by primarily allocating funds to Venture Capitalists"

No no, this one is not an ICO, it's a privately funded currency that was given away for free to anyone who had a popular account on Github!
In addition, the $10.2mm that was raised was all donated to non-profits and open-source projects. I.e. fsf https://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-receives-1...
Why?
Handshake didn’t need the VCs’ money, only their credible early stage project valuation. But Handshake had to accept the investment in order to make the valuation real, but then gave away all the money b/c they didn’t need it.

They hope it can serve as a better model for future ICOs, where a big chunk of the money goes to FOSS groups.

Not really. Compared to the average blockchain project handshake.org has some thinking behind it and is attempting to solve a real problem (e.g. recent capitalist take over of .org tld)
Thinking about something and attempting to solve a real problem doesn't mean a solution has any inherent merit.

brb thinking about how to solve climate change and attempting to solve a problem by turning off my AC give me millions of dollars thanks.

Check the names on the Handshake Whitepaper. One is the co-inventor of Lightning Network and the other is the lead maintainer of bcoin, one of the few credible Bitcoin implementations. They spent over 2yrs working on Handshake. It’s not a bunch of lightweights or scammers.