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by dilap 5594 days ago
Cool tip about C-x z, buuut... Playing with it a little bit, it doesn't seem to fit so well with a non-modal editor, because "last command" ends up being more like "last keystroke". E.g., if I write "I like cats" and then hit "C-x z", it enters..."s". Probably a more practical emacs equivalent is to just quickly record and replay a macro.

As for adding equivalents to E and B, sure, but what keys do you bind 'em to? Either unwieldy C-c FOO combinations, or spend the rest of forever playing whack-a-mole with various modes that happen to have already defined the keys you wanted to use. While emacs is infinitely customizable, the baseline editing functionality that everything expects is important -- otherwise you're just fighting against the grain. Though the various vim emulation modes have made a heroic effort...

It would be interesting if something like that vim keystroke competition could be expanded to include emacs as well. >:)
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silentbicycle 5594 days ago
The repeat has different granularity. I prefer Emacs's, but, matter of taste I guess.

"Super"-f/b are free on my keyboard, where "super" is the button with the Windows logo on it. I don't really miss the E/B functionality, though, and I used vim for about five years before I started using Emacs.

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dilap 5593 days ago
Ah, I was wondering how much vim experience you had. Quite a bit! Well, thanks for being an interesting data point. :)

(BTW/FWIW, I'm on mac and keep the option key as command, so no extra key lying around for me to use as super.)

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silentbicycle 5592 days ago
I know this is a late reply, but you're very right about C-x z and vi's . having different groupings. I'm so used to defining keyboard macros for any operation I want to repeat as a whole that it didn't even occur to me.

I'm easily sucked into vi / emacs threads, and I've talked about this at length a few times. I have a bit over five year experience with each, at this point. I prefer vi's general keyboard interface design (edit vs insert mode, etc.), because it gets rid of most of the modal keys that Emacs uses, but strongly prefer Emacs's "continuous environment"/integration and general extensibility. On the balance, I prefer Emacs. (And while there are vi-emulation modes for Emacs, such as viper, few extensions provide vi-like keybindings for them.)

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