[marc]

Hi there. Maker of BetaList and WIP here. I think there are two things being conflated.

BetaList (startup discovery platform) was created before Product Hunt, and WIP (our community for makers) is an offshoot of that. Product Hunt eventually launched a similar service.

FWIW, I have to strongly disagree that WIP is primarily motivated for self-promotion. It's really more like a virtual co-working spaces where we all share what we're working on (hence the name), exchange feedback, keep each other accountable, etc.

BetaList and Product Hunt are indeed partly about self-promotion and partly about discovery.