[Angostura]

> So because you're a CEO you can't believe whatever you want in your spare time?

Clearly, if you a CEO and publicly supporting causes, your support for those causes will have an impact on the reputation of the organisation.

Now, I sure you can think of examples of more extreme spare-time beliefs that you might think were incompatible with being CEO, so its a question of where you particularly draw the line. (Or perhaps you can't and you think that any extreme free-time campaigning is fine).

FWIW, I'm not in San Francisco.

Now Mozilla has, whether you like it or not decided to build its brand values and ethos around equality and inclusivity - it is written all through its positioning and marketing material. Similarly Apple pitched privacy. If it was discovered that Tim Cook had a part time gig with Cambridge Analytica etc. I doubt he would last that long.

Regarding Google et al:

> Just because they don't explicitly say it out loud doesn't mean they care.

That's correct they don't say it out loud, they don't explicity campaign on the issue and their CEO doesn't donate money towards it.

> I trust Brave and Brendan far more on privacy issue since they only care about that and don't shove woke politics onto my face.

If Brendan started donating to an organisation campaigning to give law enforcement and marketing companies access to your personal data, do you think it would be compatible with his position at Brave? Bear in mind that, apparently when it comes to privacy, very few people care about that shit (as can be seen from Chrome's market share) and there is good money to be made selling data.

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> Clearly, if you a CEO and publicly supporting causes, your support for those causes will have an impact on the reputation of the organisation.

The furor was over positions Brendan had taken years before becoming CEO. And positions that were, at the time, the majority viewpoint.

[ecmascript]

> Now Mozilla has, whether you like it or not decided to build its brand values and ethos around equality and inclusivity

Yes I know, this is why I use Brave and why Mozilla is not relevant anymore. At my company we don't really make a lot of effort to test that our product works in Firefox anymore because they have such a low market share. I am basically the only one wanting to fully support firefox, testing every feature in it, but even I am having a hard time defending that position when Mozilla as a company is being so incredible short-sighted and pushes bullshit.

Their wokeness killed Firefox and I'm very upset about that. I hate the people who ruined Mozilla which was for the longest time the only sane option in the browser market.

I believe they will sooner or later discontinue Firefox unless something extraordinary happens because they won't have enough users to support it.

> If Brendan started donating to an organisation campaigning to give law enforcement and marketing companies access to your personal data, do you think it would be compatible with his position at Brave?

No I don't think so. But his beliefs in that theoretical case woule oppose what the product Brave is all about. Supporting same sex marriage or not has nothing to do with browsers, the internet or even technology.

It's just an unpolular opinion that get you fired for the same company that pretend they value privacy, freedom and integrity. Which to me is now just bullshit I do not believe. In fact there is even evidence to support it, they are sending data to google even when you start a private tab in firefox so evidently they give away data to the same tech giants they claim to oppose.

[Angostura]

I’d love to see your worked examples of why having brand values based around inclusivity has lead to a drop in market share.

Do you have any evidence for that? Or are you assuming that Brendan’s superior execution skills would have avoided it?

[ecmascript]

It's easy, people don't like getting politics shoved in their faces when they're using some product that has nothing to do with poltiics. Especially when they disagree with the message.

Of course, in the Mozilla case it's more than their pander to wokeness that made them become unrelevant. It's their focus on shitty products that no one asked for or wanted. For example, Pocket. Such a waste of money, I'm sure they have some users and so on but come on.

There is no way of donating to the development of Firefox. You can only donate to Mozilla and the money won't be used for development but rather for pushing woke politics.

They have used a lot of money afaik on that purpose alone. To be more inclusive, which basically translates to excluding white men (because that is what it's always about).

But if you want some concrete list, check this one out:

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/get-woke-go-broke-the-master-l...

I'm sure Brendan wouldn't have spent millions on shit products and woke politics but rather to have improved on the core products and stuff like privacy which people actually care about.

This is why Brave will be bigger than Firefox in the long run, because they care about what actually matters. Which is the product they offer.

[Angostura]

> It's easy, people don't like getting politics shoved in their faces when they're using some product

How many people using Firefox do you think have even heard of Brendan? Not many, I'd wager. The community who contribute? robably significantly more.

I love this bit: "I'm sure Brendan wouldn't have spent millions on shit products and woke politics"

How much did they spend on 'woke politics'?