[h91wka]

It's funny how Mozilla preaches privacy, but if you open `about:config' and count

1) parameters that include word "telemetry"

2) everything that looks like a unique token

3) "mozilla.org" URLs

you'll see that the sum is steadily going up with every release. It leaves me under impression that Mozilla is trying to follow Facebook and Google. Lately they removed setting to use a custom page for the new tabs, leaving only choice between blank page and Mozilla-provided "interest based" homepage. I am still using it as the main browser, though, as "lesser evil", but discrepancy between Mozilla's slogans and actual features is pretty chilling.

[dralley]

That's kind of an absurd way to count, since many of the items listed can be disabled by global prefs while still being "enabled" themselves.

[h91wka]

Does concept of "estimation" ring a bell to you?

[jfk13]

telemetry ≠ tracking

[throwaway2048]

Telemetry is absolutely a polite word for tracking. It is fundamentally about sending information about your system, your usecase, your software and your data to a remote party (usually without notification).

Calling it anything except tracking is super bullshitty.

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[JohnFen]

Telemetry serves a different purpose than tracking, but they are both collecting data -- and it's the data collection that I object to.

Firefox does let you disable the telemetry with one exception, though. The exception is that they have a special telemetry ping to tell them when someone has disabled telemetry. While that's obnoxious and prevents me from saying "it's perfectly done", that you can disable the rest is head-and-shoulders above pretty much everyone else.

[anonymousab]

Well, don't worry. I'm confident they'll fix this eventually. You can't be concerned about the tracking bits you see in about:config if you can't open about:config to begin with.

[Vinnl]

And none of that is used to influence elections or make you buy stuff you don't want.

[ninkendo]

Are we sure about this?

I mean I mostly agree that telemetry is different, but how can we be sure Mozilla isn't sharing their telemetry information with ad networks to help fingerprint you?

It seems the only way to be truly sure is if we could verify the browser sent no information at all, right? Or else it's just about trust, same as any other browser.

[Vinnl]

It's mostly about trust, but we have more reasons to trust Mozilla than other browser vendors - they consist of a community of people who care about their values, they've staked their reputation on those values, they are transparent, they're a legal non-profit, etc. Their financial statements are also public, and I don't think any income from ad networks has been found there.

[h91wka]

> More reasons to trust Mozilla?

I think Cliqz incident and Shield Studies AR Game incident prove that you can trust Mozilla as much as any other huge corp.

[Vinnl]

And I think putting those at the same level as Google's and Microsoft's shenanigans, especially considering the other properties I mentioned and how they influenced how those incidents were dealt with, is grossly exaggerating.

[h91wka]

1) Aforementioned companies don't market themselves as "privacy-centered" 2) If you re-read the original post, you'll notice that I was talking about trends. Increasingly aggressive telemetry and "interest-based" features is a relatively recent trend in Firefox, so give it some time before comparing it with megacorps that developed such stuff for years.

[h91wka]

And why do you think this whole "interest based" business exists?

[Vinnl]

I don't understand the question.