[privateSFacct]

Is this a joke re apple?

They make some of the highest value preserving phones out there - period.

Long after your supposed "standouts" in repairability heads to the landfill, apple's phones will be repaired and re-used and passed along to another user. Seriously - look at the prices for used apple products or if you go to sell an old phone - its incredible.

The latest software is available to phones 6 or even 7 years old.

I'm seriously curious - can you list phone from Samsung / HTC or whoever you consider to be a standout in not locking folks out from 7 years ago and the software platform that is available for it? The security updates being produced for it?

I'm seriously very curious - I keep being told apple is terrible but no one will actually NAME a phone that lasts longer (I say this as my parents use their apple products for 5-7 years easily with a battery replacement when I come out to visit) - I could probably switch them to an HTC or other product as long as they could actually get maintained software and repairs for the 5+ years they keep their devices. Apple - they can just walk into to get things fixed.

[Gibbon1]

Reminds me of an observation about used cars. The big three observed that people only kept their cars for a couple of years and used that at their target for planned obsolescence. Japanese who had a rep for bad quality just concentrated on producing as best quality as they could.

The result is GM's resale value is terrible. Where Toyota's used cars sell at a premium. The result is Toyota can charge a premium and GM cannot. That premium is Toyota pocketing the future higher resale value.

[Nullabillity]

The thread so far was about laptops, so that's the context that in which I responded.

I wish I had a good answer for phones.. Fairphone, maybe? That whole industry is a depressing dumpster fire. Though, once again, Apple manages to be by far the most hostile (bricking all phones with replaced displays, anyone?).

[privateSFacct]

The same is even more true for laptops.

Have you priced out old laptops? An old sony or asus laptop has basically zero value. An old mac has value.

I don't use mac's but my wife does. At the office we go through laptops in bulk (every 2 years basically). He used her laptop very successfully for something like 6-7 years (and apple had software that supported it). The only thing she needed to do was get a new battery for $130. That was walk in service.

By contrast, ordering replacement batteries for laptops off amazon (asus / dell etc) - the things are TOTAL GARBAGE. Whatever lock down apple is doing in their supply chain is paying off in long term reliability.

Interesting to see the downvotes though - I'll have to browse HN for them because it seems the comments that don't fit the going narrative get trashed.

And yet no one can name the phone (or laptop) that holds value better than apple - despite claims that apple is the worst. Does that strike you as a bit weird? ALL other brands should be better if apple is really the worst.

It's basically a set of lies being pumped out about apple's reliability, durability, longevitiy - and as people go out and buy crap phones from HTC etc that fill up landfills, use child labor, are manufactured with much less regard for the environment they pat themselves on the back.

Apple supports out of warranty repairs, on a walk in/drop off basis in many cases, on items MUCH MUCH longer than almost all other manufacturers.

[Nullabillity]

My personal laptop (mostly used for travel these days) is still a 5 year old $800 ASUS ROG G551J. The battery did go bad, but I got a replacement in less than 24 hours (which is far from normal over here), and the installation was tool-free.

I upgraded both the RAM and storage over time, which was trivial. Hell, they have an official guide on how to avoid voiding the warranty while doing it![0]

[0]: https://rog.asus.com/articles/g-series-gaming-laptops/g551-u...