[ryanlol]

Why is it such a big problem that you have to pay more than $7 for a single word .com? Is it just that it feels unfair to you for someone to be profiting like this?

I’ve been more than happy to buy domains from these squatters, they’re usually willing to accept prices far lower than the value I can extract from said domains.

[kerkeslager]

> Is it just that it feels unfair to you for someone to be profiting like this?

There are other reasons, but I'm a bit confused why this isn't something you find objectionable.

In theory, a free market should incentivize people to create value. But here's a case where people are literally removing value which was previously available, and getting paid to do it: if there ever was a perverse incentive, this is it.

From reading your comments, it seems like you think that anything that "freedom" = "anything the free market does". This is pretty fundamentally misguided, because if you don't have any rules to prevent people from amassing too much power, you just end up with rules set forth by whoever you've let take power. If you refuse to make rules, you're simply accepting the rules made by someone who doesn't refuse to make rules.

[franga2000]

I guess you're technically correct in that the several thousands of $ these domains usually go for is "more than 7$" and in fact, I don't have a problem paying a high price for something valuable to me. I have a problem paying an unpredictable unregulated price to a completely third party just because they "got there first". Buying from a squatter benefits the squatter (a 3rd party) and to some extent the providers (registries, registrars, ICANN), but harms the end consumer. To me, that is the exact opposite of how things should be done. Consumer first, companies second, random third parties last.

[mekster]

Maybe by that definition all the unused lands should be left as no one's property and not owned by landlords. I can't see how that works.

[franga2000]

I agree that probably wouldn't work for land, which is why I support a higher tax on unused land/realestate instead, to incentivise owners to keep lowering the prices until it sells, instead of setting the price to something unreasonable and holding it for years and years until people get desperate enough.

But I seem to have gone off track. Any situation where the consumer gets screwed because a completely third party wants to line their pockets is a situation I don't want to see. Namesquatting, ticket scalping, that thing where a company buys up the whole used market on something and then re-sells it for a premium, etc. are all examples of that and I am yet to hear a good argument for them other than "I have the right to be a capitalist dick with no regard for others", which I do not consider a basic human right.

[ryanlol]

Okay so the complaint is essentially “this doesn’t feel fair!”. I guess this really does come down to envy, just as another commenter pointed out.

>but harms the end consumer

It doesn’t though, without the second hand market someone would be using that domain for something silly and you wouldn’t get it anyway.

> Consumer first, companies second, random third parties last

But companies are the primary consumers in the domain name market. Internet end users benefit from squatting because the companies doing something with value are the only ones who end up actually using the good domains.

[kerkeslager]

> It doesn’t though, without the second hand market someone would be using that domain for something silly and you wouldn’t get it anyway.

Please explain why you think this.

Also, what could be more silly than doing nothing with it, except wait for a sufficiently-funded buyer?

[ryanlol]

>Please explain why you think this.

Because without the secondary market there’d be no incentive for anyone to give up a domain. At least now the domains actually end up with parties willing to pay a fair price for them.

[kerkeslager]

Nobody is proposing we get rid of the secondary market, so you can stop proposing that straw man argument.

I'm not saying we should get rid of the secondary market. I'm saying the secondary market should consist of entities who are making a good-faith effort to make use of the domains, not middlemen who actively suck value out of the system while contributing nothing.

[ryanlol]

Doesn’t sound like that would really make a meaningful difference. You’d just end up with loads of automatically generated garbage websites.

Nothing less than the “strawman” of eliminating the secondary market is going to achieve anything at all.

[StavrosK]

"More than $7" is disingenuous, since $100,000 is also "more than $7".

[ryanlol]

Why is it a problem that some domains cost $100,000 or more?

[StavrosK]

Do you also find ticket scalping to be fine? If not, what's the difference with squatting?

[ryanlol]

Of course ticket scalping is fine, many venues go out of their way to enable it.

I’ve often benefited from the scalpers by being able to buy last minute tickets. Same goes for domain squatters.

You think squatting is bad? Ok. What if my low-effort personal website was “doctor.com” and someone emailed me an offer of $2M for it, should I be allowed to accept that?

I don’t think there’s a meaningful distinction to be made there.