[oska]

> Monetizing fans is really hard on passion alone.

> ... you often can't monetize them at all without significant re-activation effort

I find talk of monetising people extremely off-putting. Also (not meant as a personal attack), I do not want to be around or associate with people who talk like this.

[Proziam]

What would you prefer it to be called? We can change the words around to suit our social sensibilities but at the end of the day, we're still talking about convincing people to spend some money. Nobody bats an eye if you ask for more money from your boss, but many people are under a lot of pressure not to try to be compensated fairly for consumer-facing work.

Making good content consistently is hard work, I personally have no moral qualms about a creator trying to make a living doing it.

[oska]

I think my main issue is the shift in focus away from a transaction (people paying for a product or service) to reducing people to simply being sources of money.

Also, the idea that fans or admirers should be converted into people who pay you money. My concept of a service like Patreon is that it's a way for people to give you money if they (independently) want to, rather than being pushed or cajoled to do so.