[tomlockwood]

> If so, have the courage of your convictions to admit you think

Well that's not "so", so I'm not going to admit something that isn't so.

> From the outside,

How are you simultaneously discussing this with me while being outside the discussion?

> You can't undermine a point nobody is really making.

Excellent! If people are making the point, I'm undermining it, and if they don't think they're accessing objective truth in this discussion, my observations in my comments still stand. shove