[ra5]

Same here. It's incredibly striking to sort of see the pieces laid out in front of you, really _feel_ that they put together facts, but not have the glue you need to objectively/factually put them all together.

To me it feels like the "Israeli operative" scenario seems pretty legit.

[Relys]

Ghislaine Maxwell is the daughter of an alleged Mossad (Israeli Intelligence) operative. Coming from someone who hates conspiracy theories, I think this one isn't too far fetched.

[QuercusMax]

And her father died by apparently "falling overboard off his yacht" (which was named "The Lady Ghislaine" after her!). Not at all suspicious.

Even more fun? You know who owns that yacht now? DJT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell#Death

[giarc]

Want even more fun? You know who sold Maxwell that yacht? Emad Khashoggi... Jamal Khashoggi's cousin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emad_Khashoggi

[Rebelgecko]

Another of his cousins died with Princess Diana

[xrd]

This thread is nuts. I can't believe the connections.

[moralestapia]

>Even more fun? You know who owns that yacht now? DJT.

Any reference on that?

[selectodude]

He's confused on the yachts (easy to do, I suppose). DJT bought Adnan Khashoggi's yacht. Emad is his cousin. Emad's yacht was bought by Maxwell. Adnan's yacht was bought by Trump, which was foreclosed upon a few years after he purchased it.

[JohnBooty]

    Coming from someone who hates conspiracy 
    theories, I think this one isn't too far fetched.

Yeah, I agree.

Typically I don't believe conspiracy theories, on the simple grounds that large numbers of people can't keep secrets very well.

The Epstein thing kind of has that answer built in.

A rich guy became "untouchable" by throwing sex parties and gathering blackmail material on important people. That's pretty much the easiest thing in the world to believe. At some point it becomes a self-perpetuating thing. Nobody wants to investigate him because it's a potential career-ruiner.

And keep in mind that he didn't need direct evidence on you. You just need to attend one of his parties where bad things went down. Let's say he's got video evidence of Famous Persons A, B, and C doing something at the party that happened on a specific night. You were at the party too, but like 47 out of the 50 guests you did nothing wrong and had no idea wrongdoing was happening. Well, now you're scared too. Maybe Epstein directly threatens you. Puts you in the little black book or whatever. Or maybe not. Some underage teenager was being victimized, and you were there, and now you have a strong incentive to hope the whole thing blows over because you're terrified of being painted as an abuser even though you were just there for the free shrimp and cocktails.

To me, it seems like the kind of thing anybody with sufficient money could pull off. It's not exactly news that donating fat sums of money to various institutions gets you prestige and access to lots of influential people.

I don't have an opinion on the Mossad stuff one way or another. Seems plausible but as for a guess on the likelihood it's way over my pay grade.

[AndrewBissell]

IMO you've captured all the important aspects, and yeah whether it's Mossad or CIA or organized crime or Satan worshippers, or some combination of them, a.) Isn't really that important, because the effects of the network exerting its power are the same regardless, and b.) Is probably just meant to be an unproductive side question for people to waste time examining.

[mirimir]

So what, could this be a key aspect of Israeli influence in the US? I mean, through entrapment of politicians.

I don't know anything about Mossad. But I do know that sexual blackmail was a key tool of the KGB. Along with simple greed, of course.

[hylaride]

The mossad is one of the most active and effective intelligence agencies in the world. Their stories both successes and failures (that we’ve heard about) are legendary.