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by agumonkey 2323 days ago
> - Lack of a roadmap or timeline, there is zero visibility into what is being worked on and when things may happen. This has been a deliberate choice by the core team I think because when they had a roadmap and parts of it didn't fit into the next release people were angry.

this is a bit sad (the fact that mobs are still mobs)

in any case I wonder if they couldn't make some kind of core partner club with people that have been long and deep Elm users
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dwohnitmok 2323 days ago
I've always seen Elm as being between a rock and a hard place socially. On the one hand, a lot of people with no FP experience dismiss it for being a "weird" FP language. On the other hand, a lot of people with FP experience dismiss it for not having some FP feature they really want (e.g. one that keeps coming up and just won't die is typeclasses).

Also there is a core Elm team consisting of something like half a dozen people, unless you mean a partner club of e.g. tech teams that use Elm.

I have an immense amount of respect for Evan Czaplicki for how he tries to thread the needle here and the huge amount of thought and craft he puts into the UI and UX of Elm to make it accessible. Unfortunately you can't please everyone (hell he doesn't even please me with all his decisions, the gall of him! ;)) and Elm has had its share of vocal naysayers. Elm may or may not die out, but the impact it's had on raising the bar for the UI/UX of dealing with a compiler has been IMO one of the most valuable advancements for statically typed languages in recent years.

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vmchale 2323 days ago
> a lot of people with FP experience dismiss it for not having some FP feature they really want (e.g. one that keeps coming up and just won't die is typeclasses).

You still can't write a generic sort function. It's not only typeclasses, there's also no module system and Evan is patronizing about it.

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vmchale 2323 days ago
> this is a bit sad (the fact that mobs are still mobs)

Not that people in open source can't be entitled, but the way Elm handles the community is awful and patronizing. Also they make too many breaking changes for me to write code in Elm.

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agumonkey 2323 days ago
Ah in that case I stand corrected. In any case dealing with others is .. subtle.
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matsemann 2323 days ago
Be careful taking his words as a correction, he is being toxic about elm all over the place.
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