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by pwinnski 2325 days ago
Apple is already using USB-C on the bit that plugs into the wall, so if that's all this is, it's nothing.

Apple has protested this, so it seems like it must be more.

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What is Apple is heading toward completely sealed phones with only wireless charging / data xfer and they’re nervous that the EU is going to force them to keep the physical port on the device?
Well, not that it's relevant to the topic at hand, but if they do so, I'm leaving the ecosystem.

Not being able to charge from a backpack or a car is a non-starter for me. I go weeks without plugging my phone into the wall, but when I need it, I really need it.

> Not being able to charge from a backpack or a car is a non-starter for me.

In this hypothetical future you'd have to replace the power bank and charging cables that you currently own, but you'll be able to achieve both of those goals just fine. You can already buy power banks[1] with built-in charging coils, and I imagine some enterprising company will be along with a svelte USB-to-Qi-coil cable that suctions onto your phone any day now.

1. https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-qi-wireless-charging-...

So far, efficiency is kinda low for use with portable battery packs.

You'd need to carry around a pack twice the size.

I carry a 10000 mAh battery pack[1] in my jacket[2], which besides powering the heater elements inside the jacket also provides wireless charging to my phone.

I don't know about effectiveness, but 20-30 minutes of wireless charging gives 60% + of battery power on my phone, and while i don't regularly charge my phone fully in the jacket, only top it off, i charge the battery pack once every week or so, and it is very rarely at 0%

[1]: https://www.amazon.co.uk/SANAG-Wireless-Portable-10000mAh-Co...

[2]: https://www.ministryofsupply.com/products/mens-mercury-intel...

Many people have said that - over removing the dock, over 3.5mm, over removing smaller handsets, yet Apples profits continue to soar.
Apple has worked on wireless proximity charging where the device merely needs to be within a few feet of the charger. I hear there are serious engineering challenges that make this hard to achieve but I don’t think they will remove the port with the current QI charging experience. Maybe there will be a charging battery you can just throw in the same bag as the phone and the phone will charge.
> ... serious engineering challenges ...

I'd say there are serious physical challenges with this problem. Wireless power transfer over distances of more than an inch without big parabolic antennas is about as realistic as hoverboards.

uBeam is the canonical example of this. Their own VP Engineering left and publicly stated that the technology simply doesn't work. ELI5 is that you need an impractically large phased array to transmit, and the attenuation is precipitous even at short distances. The commentary I've read (by no means exhaustive) treats it as if it's a "laws of physics" problem, but I would assume the company had some reasonably compelling answers to this challenge given that they raised $40m USD from some bright investors.
My iphone X does this; works fine. It's not that "wireless" -just a shitty transformer, but it's nice.
Wireless charging is covered under point 6 of the resolution.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/RC-9-2020-0070...

Please tell me you read my "Sealed" iPhone comment on macrumors :D

Yes. And I think they will use Smart Connector currently used on iPad as Data and Power Connection. Since it isn't really a port so the devices is still all sealed up. Assuming they get rid up Sim tray as well.

I wonder what that will do for security. It seems the publicly known exploits tend to use the wired connection to swipe data from the phone. It would likely be much more difficult to do that wirelessly. It would be a shame to lose the potential hardening benefits because of some lawmakers who may not have privacy as a core interest... or indeed quite the opposite.
This is strictly about charging, so a phone that uses USB for charging only, and does synchronization etc wirelessly, should still be compliant.
You can always not connect the data wires to the port.
Then you can't use USB-PD protocol and only get the gimped resistor-based current negotiation.
USB-PD doesn't use the data wires (dp/dn or the two high speed diffpairs), it uses a sidechannel (CC). You can have a full PD implementation without a host controller or any data connection.
Wireless charging is a stupid gimmick, but it’s the anti-consumer angle that will get Apple on board with wireless-only.
It seems pretty clear at the current stage it’s completely vague. Probably Apple has no idea what actionable laws will result.

Will they mandate all phones have usb-c ports? That’s absurd because who knows what’ll be the standard port in 5 years.

The only thing the EU mandates is producers come up with a common standard. Whether that's USB-C or Lightning is of no interest to the EU.
Who could possibly criticize the EU for mandating something which has a history of being successfully used by some of the producers to fuck over the rest?