[euro_expat]

I think you misunderstand. I mean an innovation on par with the iPhone, where it basically changed how people live their lives. I'm quite sure Europeans can make a phone, the problem is they can't hit an innovative home run to save their lives.

[dang]

Could you please stop creating accounts for every few comments you post? We ban accounts that do that. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

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[lawlorino]

I misunderstand your vague handwavey definition then. What is the data or metric that you're basing your opinion off exactly? 7 of the top 10 best selling mobile devices of all time are made by Nokia [0]. How is that not changing how people live their lives?

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_...

[ska]

Your hyperbole is burying any realistic point you are trying to make, I think.

WWW had far bigger impact that iPhone, and is european innovation.

For that matter, the entire system of democratic capitalism and relatively free markets you are espousing was invented there. Fair to argue who's done the best job of "perfecting" it, but it's European ideas originally :)

I think it is very interesting to compare entrepreneurial approaches and success rates (to the degree it's meaningful) across jurisdictions, for what it's worth. But "Europe can't do this at all" is a silly line to draw.