[delouvois]

Sorry I don't often go on HN. I believe this was in an interview of Pierre Omidyar, although it may unfortunately be in French. He has not done much of these, so I think I may be able find it, I'll check.

[delouvois]

https://www.achievement.org/achiever/pierre-omidyar/

This is it, a link to the video and the transcript, just type laser on the and you'll find it !