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by jontaydev 2332 days ago
It is best practice, but you probably don’t need virtualenv if you’re deploying a single application in a docker container.
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Messing with the system python without using some form of virtual environment is a recipe for disaster.
In the docker container you ARE the system python version. In fact many docker best practices would say that preferably only 1 application is running, and that would be your application.
It's still not safe. For example there was a conflict one day between awscli, urllib and some system tool (apt?) which led to a broken (apt fails) system if you just "pip install awscli" globally. Even in docker image, you still need virtualenv to be safe (or use only global distro packages).
Could you elaborate on why? I worked at a co that almost exclusively ran Alpine containers with a single Python app. No use of virtualenv. Never experienced any hangups with this.
Same here, and I'm curious to know why some think virtualenv is required in a container, as opposed to just starting with am image containing a clean python install and adding what you need.
I linked the example here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22186046

But tlrd is: if you "apt install some-utility", then "pip install something else", you may have upgraded packages that some-utility relies on but is not compatible with the new version anymore.

Looked up the issue and it was cloud-init, not apt that failed. Here are the details: https://github.com/aws/aws-cli/issues/3678

In one sentence: "Installing the latest aws-cli on an image is preventing new AMIs based on that image from booting due to the above issue with urllib3."

While this specific issue wouldn't affect docker images since you normally don't run cloud-init on them, it's just luck that it wasn't some other utility affected instead. Next time it can affect docker images too.

Why do you have cloud-init in a container?
It's a docker box, you're already inside some form of virtual environment
Not in docker. The entire point of docker is isolation so when you use something like python3.7-slim, its fine to use the system python. Thats the whole point of using the image.

Now you still want to run and install pip packages as a non-root user of course, but you don't need a virtualenv in docker.

Debian distros have a separate dist-packages directory for system libs. You can do whatever you want in site-packages. It is effectively like a default virtualenv when operating in a container.