[climate_realist]

Honest question here, who actually thinks the political structures in place today can provide the change needed in the timeframe we have? I'm honestly putting those odds at < 1%. I mean, it looks like the only actual option is geohacking, but that's not talked about much yet. The distraction is this obsession with trying to make a broken system solve a problem it can't solve.

[benjohnson]

I have absolutely no confidence that this can be solved politically - the societal measures required at the current time would cause an immediate civil war.

However, I have full confidence that this can be solved technically if people of good-will keep progressing to better, cheaper, and more economical solutions.

[frandroid]

> people of good-will > economical solutions

Narrator: It still requires a political solution

As if economics isn't political?

[nonbirithm]

Some part of the solution will probably involve forcibly taking away some of the freedoms people have.

We have the freedom in the United States to go out and buy a car and drive it as much as one likes until it physically cannot be driven anymore. There is no limit on the amount of fuel one can expend or emissions one person can make by driving. And cars are a major contributor to the emissions problem.

If people are not willing to give up driving gasoline-powered cars because they have the freedom to say no, will we simply abandon efforts to make people change their driving habits or enforce greater restrictions on their emissions?

It feels like a drastic solution, but the effects of climate change are also drastic. I'm not sure they can be solved with feel-good measures like planting trees when more and more people choose activities with emissions which will wipe out any gains because it's convenient to do so in car-based societies and everyone else does it.

EVs would be a good first step if we can manufacture enough, somehow convince everyone there's enough personal benefit to switch and source electricity from renewable sources. But most of the country still runs on gas at the moment.

[smileysteve]

The U.S. not only has the freedom, but the subsidization; be it roads that aren't paying property tax, fuel taxes that don't earn enough to maintain existing roads, delayed maintenance -- but all of the way to oil exploration rights.

The 18.4c federal gasoline tax should be almost doubled to 34c, ignoring that road construction costs have outpaced inflation.

Where car accidents were a leading cause of accidental injury and death hospitals (especially rural) and have costs exceeding inflation and medical debt is a major cause of bankruptcy and I hospital tax deduction.

[wavepruner]

I have zero confidence that existing political structures can solve this problem. So much so that I view any political attempts at addressing climate change as a net increase in carbon emissions (because it is a waste of energy).

Even if a carbon tax was implemented in some countries, emissions would just move to countries with no tax. The only way to enforce it on a world-wide scale is war. War would emit so much carbon that it would defeat the purpose of enforcing carbon taxes.