[frequentnapper]

the issue is much bigger than just spyware. If a nation allows Huawei or any Chinese company to build its future tech infrastructure such as 5G, they are basically signing over their national security and interests over to the Chinese govt.

E.g. your nation has someone who speaks out against the Chinese govt or something as dumb as making fun of the Chinese president. Hand him over or else we flick a switch here and the power grid in your city X goes down and there's nothing you can do about it.

Why do yo think China is pushing Huawei so hard and vowing trade punishment against any nation in the EU or elsewhere if they stop Huawei? They want to control the future of those nations. This will give China every leverage they can get in terms of trade, compliance, security, etc. basically making each of these nations a vassal state to China.

[cesarb]

> Hand him over or else we flick a switch here and the power grid in your city X goes down and there's nothing you can do about it.

The issue in your scenario is not who built the infrastructure, but who has remote access to it. Why would the manufacturer of (for instance) the PLCs controlling a substation have remote access to it? Wouldn't they be isolated in their own subnetwork, firewalled so that only a few hosts in the substation operator's network can reach it?

[rusk]

You do understand that this is managed infrastructure, right? Logging in and managing it remotely is literally part of the deal. It’s not even a secret.

[rusk]

Makes sense to me ... I just cant get over how people are being labelled cranks for voicing what are pretty common sense concerns. I guess in the public mindset wireless network != critical infrastructure.