[kragen]

Thank you for sharing your experience!

What are the cards you mention?

Are you saying that writing a full Pong in Pygame Zero is much harder than in Scratch? I'm not sure what you mean by "harder as in scratch".

I was pretty impressed with the Pong game in 5'30" in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoWqdEACyLI when I first watched it, but I suspect it might be pretty intimidating for a total newcomer.

And, yeah, I wasn't suggesting that you should pass filenames on the command line to simplify debugging. It's just that that program is an image viewer, not a game, so taking the filename on the command line is what it does. If you hardcode the filename and rely on CPython's prompt finalization, you can reduce the program to four lines, which is less even than PyGame:

    #!/usr/bin/python
    from yeso import *
    w = Window('hello, world', (406, 220))
    w.frame().copy(read_png('admu_shell.png'))
    while True: w.wait()

That does have a loop in it, though.

[aoloe]

- our cards are here: https://github.com/CoderDojoZH/resources/tree/master/cards-p...

- harder as in scratch? it's about this scratch and this game: https://scratch.mit.edu/studios/644508/

- a pong in 5'30"... of course, but his real tutorial is 3 hours : - ) ... and that pong game does much more than what our kids can achieve...

- our kids debugging skills are often very limited (both in skills and patience)... correctly matching the filename and the actor is a good example for learning the debugging but it's often already too much: they just want to see it work!)