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by sillysaurusx 2344 days ago
It's weird that we don't know what teeth were like before fluoride was invented. The knowledge isn't directly accessible to everyday people. Sure, we know some examples, but what about the averages? Was everyone's teeth just completely screwed, all the time? How could evolution work that way? We need our teeth to eat.

It's further complicated by the invention of processed sugar, which ruins teeth. Before that, presumably it wasn't quite as bad to live without fluoride. But again, the knowledge seems kind of hard to find.

Anecdotally, I lucked out by not listening to a dentist when they said one of my teeth had to come out. Still have it six years later, and it's fine. Apparently it was a rather intense toothache that eventually went away.

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> Was everyone's teeth just completely screwed, all the time?

Well, often, yes. See, for example, the history of pre-modern dentures, which were common for people in only their 30s and 40s (George Washington's teeth all fell out before he even reached 30!).

> How could evolution work that way?

Two reasons:

First, if you've had children, you're surplus material. Most people throughout history who have had children have done so by the age of 30 or 40, and so after that, their teeth just don't matter, evolution-wise.

Second, humans evolved in an environment with very limited access to sugar and acidic foods. Sugar and acidic foods are the main cause of cavities, and have been common since the invention of civilization and extremely common since the advent of mass industrialization.

> Still have it six years later, and it's fine.

It's probably not fine. It's entirely possible to have teeth that are apparently pain-free right up until they literally snap in half from deep cavities.

We do know how bad teeth were a century ago. There's even evidence that humans several thousands of years ago didn't have as many cavities as we do today because of their diet.

I'm not in a position to give you advice, but be very careful with your teeth. A tootache can lead to an infection that if not treaded may kill you.

Considering that "back then" (e.g. 2000 years ago) people didn't consume sugar, soft drinks, and their food was mostly natural and sparse (no 3 meals and 2 snacks), plus the fact that people didn't live to 100yo, I would assume that tooth decay was less of a problem.

Interesting article for about 12,000 years ago: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/06/tooth-d...

The comparison to London 200 years ago is astonishing, sugar is bad for us a hundred different ways!

If a dentist recommends a treatment, I always get a blind second opinion. I've had many alleged cavities, which allegedly needed filling, go undetected and untreated by the next dentist. 5-10 years later, I'm convinced the dentists who claimed I needed fillings were so eager to make money they jumped the gun.
I think wild animals in nature have pretty much perfect teeth - they don't eat sugar. Same with people in remote parts of Africa (whenever I see a photograph from national geographic, everyone seems to have perfect teeth).
> Was everyone's teeth just completely screwed, all the time? How could evolution work that way? We need our teeth to eat.

Grains have sugar in them that cause tooth decay. You can blame agriculture, mostly.

> It's weird that we don't know what teeth were like before fluoride was invented.

We have teeth from fossils that are a few thousand years old all the way to over a million years old.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129562...

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/oldest-human-f...

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2018/01/oldest-human...