[anon463637]

Scrounging around for simulators or wondering how close it is to the real thing is moot because the 737 MAX is dead. The CEO is gone and there are more and more safety "glitches" being discovered. Even if they return them to service, who is going to fly on them? You? Sorry, but the cheapening-out on engineering and manufacturing over the years has eventually produced a New Coke, who's side-effect is that it kills the consumer. There's only "classic Coke" as a fix (737 NG), but that's not much better. In fact, Al Jazeera did an exposé in 2010 about the internal whistleblower who was ignored by Boeing management when it was revealed that substandard critical structural components made by subcontractor Ducommun were being crudely constructed by-hand and were grossly out of tolerances, yet Boeing management ordered them installed on customer planes anyhow. 737 NG's (-6xx, -7xx, -8xx, -9xx) have already been involved in hard landings and runway overruns where the fuselages broke apart, killing passengers, when previous similar airframes survived intact but were possibly damaged and needed inspections. These NG's are flying around above your head today, and it's unclear if the next landing or severe turbulence is going to rip the plane apart because it was either poorly engineered or poorly manufactured due to decades of lax "self-regulation"/regulatory capture and corporate greed. Some engineering areas and some planes were made better than others, but it's unnecessarily playing Russian roulette with people's lives because management used "creative" ways to cut corners.

If you want less micromorts, stick to well-maintained older 737's/777's and Airbus.

[gambiting]

>>Even if they return them to service, who is going to fly on them? You?

I never understood this. Are you ever in a situation where you have the luxury of chosing a plane you fly on? I fly several times a year, mostly with Ryanair/EasyJet/Jet2 and those are the only airlines that fly to the destinations I need to fly to. It's not like I can chose and say "oh no, Ryanair flies the MAX, so I'll fly Lufthansa instead". There is no choice in that matter at all. If Ryanair replaces their entire fleet with 737 MAX tomorrow, then that's what I will fly - the alternative is either a 30 hour long train journey, or flying with someone else with 1-2 changes for 5x the price.

[Filligree]

On the flip side, the two destinations I regularly fly to have three airlines each, two of which use Airbus.

I absolutely do have a choice, and I'm not going to fly Boeing until further notice. Apart from the whole 737 Max thing, Airbus' planes are just much quieter internally.

[7952]

The capital cost of the 737 Max fleet is likely to be at least $20 billion. Do you think the airlines or Boeing are just going to write that off?

[einarfd]

That's not really Boeing or the airlines call. If the relevant certification authorities refuse to certify it, then it isn't going to fly no matter how much Boeing or the airlines want it too.

It is going to be interesting to see how it goes. That it has taken this long to fix, points to it being, at a minimum a lot harder to fix that first suspected, and it might even be unfixable given the laws and regulation around airtravel.

[manojlds]

We are going to see normal fares for Max flights and increased fares for those who don't want to fly on Max.

[throwanem]

Do you think they won't get bailouts?

[heavenlyblue]

To get a bailout they need to act as if it were important.