[janered]

Still not hyped. The article does not show anything special or new about the language that would attract me personally. Type inference -- nothing new and exists in many other languages. Actually how about compile type inference not only in function bodies? :) Functional niceness with iterators -- also nothing new. It can be even more succinct and elegant in Scala for example. But Scala is not as fast you'd say! Yeah, so what? Python is not as fast as Scala, so.

Control over low-level details is something that exists and should be in any system-programming language. How is that even a benefit? It is a niche feature.

Memory safety? You can circumvent it by using "unsafe" and as recent Actix case shows it can propagate really deep. Should I read the code of any other Rust library now? What if I am a programmer newbie driven by the hype without a clue what does memory safety entail? What-ifs... I won't talk about compile times and the fact that in order to compile some cli tool one has to download ~200mb of rust "stuff". This is simply insane and I refuse to understand how is this considered to be not an issue.

Rust ecosystem is probably its strongest point right now which is somewhat funny because it grew out of beliefs in the above "benefits". So, not hyped, sorry.

[strbean]

Haven't used Rust, but I don't think your argument makes any sense.

Isn't the point the combination of features is unique?

It seems like if I invented a functional sledge hammer that only weighed 1oz, you'd say:

> It can hammer big nails? So can other sledge hammers!

> It only weighs 1oz? So does a plastic toy hammer!

> So I don't care.

[steveklabnik]

> Actually how about compile type inference not only in function bodies?

This is actually an explicit design decision; it means that the analysis is tractable, and that you don't get spooky-at-a-distance error messages.

[jhayward]

It's a major detractor, especially for people new to Rust.

The number of times I see people recommend "just cut and paste in whatever type the compiler said it expected ..." just makes my hair curl.

It also tends to make the code more obscure and unreadable, sometimes completely so.

[jane_red]

Hmm, I see. It makes sense.

[qaq]

"It is a niche feature" looking at C and C++ usage that niche is pretty huge.

[jane_red]

It is, and C/C++ are used in so many areas which are not system programming right? Being a scientific Python backbone is one of them for example. My claim was that it is nothing out-of-ordinary. In fact, I really dislike the article's somewhat evangelist attempt to target newbies. These so-called benefits existed and do exist in so many other languages. The only thing that Rust comes with is memory safety which on closer look is actually an illusion and is a pretty evil one. I would praise Rust for speed, yes. For ecosystem, yes. But that's it.

[qaq]

"My claim was that it is nothing out-of-ordinary". Well I guess will agree to disagree there are pretty prominent cases of very capable people trying to do a project in C++ and failing and then leveraging Rust and actually delivering.

[jane_red]

And it would be great to read about such projects. But I have not heard about such. Maybe I would change my opinion.

[qaq]

Mozilla namely: "By 2017, Mozilla had made two previous attempts to parallelize the style system using C++. Both had failed." but they were able to complete it in Rust.

[letian_north]

I would be really surprised if they failed to do it with the language they invented.