[pixelface]

"ODIN will be based in the cloud and designed to deliver data in near real time on aircraft and system performance under heightened cyber security provisions, Lord said. "

heart warming to see us draw ever closer to the cyberpunk dystopia of my childhood dreams.

[chinathrow]

Wait till you learn that some F-16s run with Kubernetes on board.

https://thenewstack.io/how-the-u-s-air-force-deployed-kubern...

"“One point for the team was to demonstrate that it could be done,” Chaillan said. He challenged the Air Force and its partners to get Kubernetes up and running on a jet in 45 days, and while that was as difficult as it sounds, the team met the goal and F-16s are now running three concurrent Kubernetes clusters, he said."

[jon-wood]

I’m having enough trouble seeing why you’d want one Kube cluster on an F-16, never mind three.

[jmnicolas]

Probably because there are tons of censors on modern jets and you need something to manage them.

However I wouldn't use a civilian made system for this, you're going to spend the rest of the program lifetime correcting security holes.

[lowdose]

Because civilian made is not invented here?

[imtringued]

I don't understand how you can even imply that it's because of a stupid reason like that.

No the reason is that there are fundamental differences in the risk profile of the civilian and military sector.

Adversaries will insert spies in mission critical projects if they are publicly accessible. Once the main contributors stop maintaining the project the military will have to hire people and train them for maintenance but all the people that can train the replacements have already left. The military has to verify every single line of code every time the code base is updated.

All of these problems don't exist in projects where the full life cycle is taken care of by the military.

The internet of things suffers from the same problems. Once you are dependent on a vendor and that vendor shuts down or cancels a product you're stuck with a lot of paperweights. The vendor is usually not acting in your interest.

[lowdose]

If there's one open source project government can easily adopt it is kubernetes.

Have you heard of the cloud native computing foundation where members have committed to longterm investment in kubernetes development?

Kubernetes is the commoditization of infrastructure layers and serious forward looking companies are member of CNFC.

I assume you are aware of the history of Silicon Valley with defense contractors. And you probably also heard that the FBI approached Paypall for fraud detection capabilities. Hence Peter Thiel's venture Palantir.

https://www.cncf.io/about/members/

[stefan_]

“One point for the team was to demonstrate that it could be done,”

[m4rtink]

I guess some sensor/radar data processing ?

[heavenlyblue]

I can run Kubernettes on my laptop even while in orbit.

[Yizahi]

Oh no, oh no no no... Please tell me you are joking. The good news though is that World War III is officially cancelled now. If anyone will ever decide to start it, they would probably debug crashing pods and spaghetti code in startup scripts for years afterwards.

[p_l]

All avionics are done these days in the form of communicating microservices, the main difference is that scheduling and routing is static and assigned upfront.

[bsaul]

i was 100% certain this comment was a parody.. until i clicked on the link...

[p_l]

At least it's on board.

ODIN being in the cloud is nothing new - a big pain point with ALIS is the fact that it's cloud based.

[ISL]

A few EMP bursts can demolish the cloud, at least as we civilians know it.

[davedx]

I dunno about that, if you're multi-region? https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/regio...

That's more than a few EMP's...

Of course if they deploy it on a single Digital Ocean droplet then it's a bit more vulnerable.

[clSTophEjUdRanu]

How do you get EMP bursts powerful enough to do that?

[LargoLasskhyfv]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altitude_nuclear_explosio...

[clSTophEjUdRanu]

Yeah that's my point. If the vulnerability relies on nukes then is it even a vulnerability? If nukes are being exchanged that's game and it's a moot point.

[LargoLasskhyfv]

Is it? I thought about it like that for a long time also. But nowadays i think think this thought applied to the 'city killers' on or slightly above ground only.

OTOH there are many satellites up there whose missions are unknown (to us). Who is to say that some party wouldn't try it, maybe during a geomagnetic storm? Or, maybe some crazy like NK because, hey, got china watching my Six!1!! Of course the orbits, and therefore the owners are known.

This does not need to be 'high tech' in the way some understand rocket science or reentry vehicles to be. Just some crude device which survives start and waiting 'up there', then being ignited later, without the complications of reentry heat and burn.

[akiselev]

Miles of copper wire, thick titanium tube, large neodymium magnet, and C4. The hard part is the simulations/experimental design of the titanium part such that the exploding C4 and melting wire don't disintegrate the whole device before the magnet has had a chance to pass through the whole coil.

Last time I did the math though, you'd only get a few tens of kilometers of effect radius with an 20ft shipping container sized device so realistically, EMPs are only deployable using nuclear weapons detonated in the atmosphere.

[ganzuul]

Nukes. But in space.

[apcherry]

I wonder if it was proposed by a Neal Stephenson fan (DODO)?