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by djcapelis 2336 days ago
Even the data you decided to pick for this conversation supports the opposite of your conclusion:

Household chores:

    --On an average day, 84 percent of women and 69 percent of men
     spent some time doing household activities, such as housework,
     cooking, lawn care, or household management. (See table 1.)

   --On the days they did household activities, women spent an average
     of 2.6 hours on these activities, while men spent 2.0 hours. (See
     table 1.)
Women: 156 min * .86 = 134 min / day

Men: 120 min * .69 = 83 min / day

Women dating men, on average have a share of household tasks is 161% of their partner’s.

Childcare:

    --On an average day, among adults living in households with
     children under age 6, women spent 1.1 hours providing physical
     care (such as bathing or feeding a child) to household children;
     by contrast, men spent 26 minutes providing physical care.
     (See table 9.)
Women: 66 min / day

Men: 26 min / day

Women dating men, on average have a share of childcare tasks is 253% of their partner’s.

This is without even needing to dig into the crosstabs, on the data source you picked. Which supports the both widely accepted and studied conclusion that household and especially childcare tasks among heterosexual couples are absolutely not evenly distributed.

As for more studies, feel free to, I dunno... pick any of them?

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=hous...

I really shouldn’t have to do the math for you on this. Your point is about as well supported by the data as climate denial and at some point you lose the right to ask other people to prove this to you and just need to go read basically anything on this subject.

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Your claim was not "women do more housework" your claim was "women do disproportionate amount" of housework

That to me would be Income Producing work + Housework.

So based on this response you believe that Housework should be a 50/50 Split even if Income-producing work is not? Meaning in a Single Income household the person making the income should put in an equal amount of household work to the person not bringing in income to support the household?

Ah. I see the disconnect. You managed to misinterpret both the point of this conversation and my specific claim.

The original poster I replied to suggested that if men pulled their weight in relationships wrt household tasks and childcare more often, women might have more time to devote to work.

You have decided to argue that women of course should spend more time in those areas, because they don’t spend as much time at work.

My claim was merely that women are in fact “responsible for disproportionate share of household and childcare related tasks” which is fully supported by all the data cited in this conversation.

You seem to be arguing that this is a perfectly fine thing. This completely ignores the possibility and frankly likely conclusion that the expectation that women do more of these tasks might have something to do with the fact that so many women aren’t in fact able to spend as much time focusing on their careers as they might otherwise.

To chose a concrete reason from too many relationships for too many women, if they don’t pick up the kid, then no one bloody will. So they don’t get to spend time to focus on work at the end of the day because they suddenly have to leave the workplace at a fixed time no matter what is happening or what thing they might want to spend a bit more time to nail down, because they are responsible for a disproportionate amount of childcare. Which then results in them being less able to be engaged and succeed in their careers, which can result in them opting for more flexible or reduced schedules, which then results in less take home pay, which then results in dudes on the Internet arguing that this is fully fair and there’s no mismatch whatsoever in response to a comment that merely points out that women perform a higher share of household and childcare tasks in an average relationship with a man.

What a mess.

It sounds like you missed the context of the discussion. The starting point was "women cannot take on more income producing work because they are all tied up in housework."