[yorwba]

The RT article doesn't say anything about disgust, so why bother linking to it?

The Politifact article does involve aversion, but only aggregated with disinterest:

"The percentage of women who responded they were not interested in sex at all or felt an aversion to it was 60.3 percent for ages 16-19 and 31.6 percent for ages 20-24. Combine the age groups, and the average response was about 46 percent negative — the figure that drove attention-grabbing stories in Western media."

To interpret the numbers differently, a net 30% of Japanese girls aged 16-19 become interested in sex within 5 years.

I tried looking for the original report to disaggregate lack of interest and aversion, but I only found it on Amazon and don't feel like buying it. https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4930807085

[icandoit]

The RT article said that "Nearly half the couples had not had sex in a month". That happens because they prefer to do something else instead.

Will you grant that this means that interest in sex has fallen?

The Politifact article says "In 2013 a whopping 45 percent of women aged 16 to 24 ‘were not interested in or despised sexual contact,’ and more than a quarter of men felt the same way."

Which matches my claim:

> Nearly half of young women in Japan are "uninterested in sex" or "averse to sex"

My claim was that disgust with sex is rising.

Another article makes these delightful claims:

https://time.com/5297145/is-sex-dead/

  - More than 40% of Japanese 18- to 34-year-old singles claim they are virgins.
  - the fraction of people getting it on at least once a week fell from 45% in 2000 to 36% in 2016.
  - more than twice as many millennials were sexually inactive in their early 20s than the prior generation was.
  - In 2016, 4% fewer condoms were sold than the year before, and they fell a further 3% in 2017.
  - Teen sex is flat and has been on a downward trend since 1985
  - The median age for first marriage in America is now 29 for men and 27 for women, up from 27 and 25 in 1999.
  - the highest drop in sexual frequency has been among married people with higher levels of education
  - those with offspring in the 6 to 17 age range were doing less of what made them parents

What do you make of these data points? I think they successfully demonstrate that interest in sex is falling.

[yorwba]

> My claim was that disgust with sex is rising.

> What do you make of these data points? I think they successfully demonstrate that interest in sex is falling.

You're equivocating between disgust and lack of interest, but these are very different things. I wouldn't have bothered asking for a source if you had blamed falling interest rather than rising disgust.

[icandoit]

I don't think I am "equivocating between disgust and lack of interest".

My motivating concern is universally dropping fertility and whether the reasons are disgust and disinterest, they both cash out the same way. No babies.

So, yes, they exist as two distinct categories, both inside a larger category. I'm talking about that larger category.

Let's imagine that people want to have sex, but they can't find the time in their busy lives. I would lump that in with disinterest. Now, whether you would or not is a discussion about your language preferences. You are entitled to language preferences, but I'm more interested in the slow suicide of everyone around me.

I find this slow suicide fascinating.

Maybe everyone is too busy arguing on the internet about what words mean to have children. That's weird and bad. That's a future we should avoid.