[ChuckNorris89]

Because Boeing is a company of national importance and also a monopoly on home turf, vital to the US security and economy so they're untouchable in the US.

Just like how no VW employee went to jail in Germany for emissions cheating.

[Entalpi]

Lets not forget that some actually got to go to prison[0].

[0]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-06/vw-execut...

[close04]

That happened in a US court but VW's CEO and a few other top execs were also criminally indicted in Germany. I think it's still ongoing so no outcome yet.

[sveme]

Not true. Several actually went to jail, including the former boss of Audi, Rupert Stadler. However, their trials are yet to come, so no final decision on jail time yet.

[dawnerd]

Also a good way to turn an employee willing to do terrible things into a whistle blower.

[cedivad]

VW wasn't nearly as bad. People need to go to jail over those deaths and their legacy used as a reminder for those that come next.

Here is another damning Boeing message, follow the source for more:

https://twitter.com/cedivad/status/1215558552229683200

[ChuckNorris89]

Define bad. As a cyclist in Europe I breathe in fumes from VWs diesel engines on a daily basis.

I'm wondering how shorter the lifespan for me and others like me will be in the long run.

I'd say that's pretty bad but as the deaths are not instantaneous, the long term damage is difficult to quantify.

[xiphias2]

My suggestion is to just stop doing it, especially if you start sleeping worse (the first symptom if you're affected). My life was ruined by not caring about living near a highway even though I easily had the money to get into a better apartment.

Now for the past 5 years (I'm 38 now) my life is about trying to find places with clean enough air, which is much harder and more expensive in winter time.

I'm always looking at experiments that reverse methylation damage, and hoping that those experiments succeed before I get cancer, but there's only 1 successful experiment so far, and I have no idea if it would help me.

[ChuckNorris89]

Thanks for the tips. Where do you live now?

[xiphias2]

Right now I'm in a boutique hotel in Punta Cana, Dominican Republic on the beach.

Last year I was in small cities in Colombia, like Pereira or Armenia in small hotels/AirBnb-s far from the city center.

I can't live in big cities anymore, and I'm really missing it.

I'd like to go to Australia as well, but I'm afraid of the air pollution due to forest fires.

[s1artibartfast]

Do you have any information you can share regarding the highway? I live next to one

[xiphias2]

The problem is that it all depends on your genes. For many people air pollution doesn't affect them..but I thought it doesn't affect me before it started.

Regarding living close to highways: air pollution close to them are much higher than farther away, and you spend a significant amount of time sleeping at home, so you if you are not lucky, you are affected.

Generally background noise is a good predictor of air pollution in my experience, just open the window, and if you hear cars all the time, you should look for another place to live.

[FooHentai]

As bad by what metric? VWs emissions overshoot has been projected to cause 1200 deaths: http://news.mit.edu/2017/volkswagen-emissions-premature-deat...

[close04]

For most people actual deaths are more immediately apparent than estimated deaths. By driving a car, riding a bus, or taking a plane any regular person also contributes to some of those estimated deaths. But this is very different from causing direct deaths by knowingly disabling a safety feature on a car, plane, or bus for example.

[cedivad]

Company values. On one end of the spectrum you have a relatively small group of people cheating and no idea where the bucket stopped.

For Boeing you have multiple lines (not only the 737 MAX but the 777 too) going as far as handing over bribes to the FAA, with upper management investing the budget savings on some yacht time.

[perl4ever]

How do we know that something caused 1200 deaths, instead of, say for example, 1% of a death of each of 120,000 individuals?

[WBrad]

When the defeat device was turned off during normal engine use its emissions went up by 40x the legal limit. VW's scandal was unprecedented in my opinion. The NOx emitted by those filthy cars are awful for anyone with respiratory issues.

[P_I_Staker]

While still substantially less than the 737 Max, plenty of people died because of that. We're not even really talking orders of magnitude, but around 10-20% @~59 premature deaths estimated (vs ~300 w/the max). That's not accounting for other health issues, and stress on the environment

source: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/10/11/1...