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by robbiep 2352 days ago
I don’t see that extra bit of context changing the quote
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AmericanChopper 2352 days ago
Vague remarks about the design of the plane being unsound at any point in time prior to it being approved to fly passengers, doesn’t reveal any information at all about the soundness of the design of the plane that was eventually approved to fly passengers.
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netsharc 2352 days ago
Your statements broke my brain... "The plane got approved, it must have been good enough, however grueling it got during the design process".

But all evidence shows it wasn't good enough (the design killed some 300 people!), but it got rubber stamp approval.

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AmericanChopper 2352 days ago
> But all evidence shows it wasn't good enough

Sure, but without additional context we can’t know what they were talking about, or whether those remarks were relevant to the final product.

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robbiep 2351 days ago
Except, the quote you’re referring to was dated 2018.

The 737 MAX started operations in May 2017.

So the comment was after the plane was regularly flying, and people on the inside were STILL joking about its safety.

(0) https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/09/boeing-737-...

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AmericanChopper 2351 days ago
In that case the NPR article (which doesn’t mention a date) is just factually incorrect.

> Another damning exchange calls into question the safety of the 737 Max long before the plane was approved to fly passengers.

> "Would you put your family on a Max simulator trained aircraft? I wouldn't," says one employee to another, who responds, "No."

If that quote was from 2018, then it’s from a year after FAA approval, not “long before” it.

I was criticising the reporting, not defending Boeing, and as you’ve kindly pointed out, the reporting is even more dubious than I had first thought.

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asenk 2350 days ago
Most outlets say it's from 2018[1] and New York Times seems to have the original which points out that it's from 2018.[2]

1. https://www.google.com/search?q=Would+you+put+your+family+on... 2. https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6653-internal-boeing...

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robbiep 2351 days ago
The source and year of the quote I took from the guardian article I referenced.

I’ve got no idea what you mean by ‘long before’, unless you somehow Switched what I was talking about - my point is exactly that the employees were discussing that they wouldn’t fly on it the year following the start of service. QED?

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