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by amluto 2351 days ago
> The actual photons that hit an object are not the same ones that eventually enter your eyes.

This part is philosophy, not physics. Photons are “indistinguishable particles”. You cannot tell two photons apart. This has a rigorous meaning: if you swap two photons, the state of the universe is unchanged. (This is in contrast to fermions — if you swap two fermions, the state of the universe has its phase shifted 180 degrees.) If photons we’re distinguishable, then swapping two photons would swap them, and the resulting state would be different. The matters from a statistical perspective. Look up Bose-Einstein statistics if you’re interested.

As for whether photons are absorbed and re-emitted or merely reflected, this surely depends on the surface on question.

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> if you swap two fermions, the state of the universe has its phase shifted 180 degrees

Do you mean there are two kinds? Or if you swap any two?

Swap any two.

This is why two fermions can’t be in the same state: if you swapped them, you’d be back where you started, but that somehow also had to phase shift 180 degrees, and the only complex amplitude that is the same as its own negation is zero.

Electrons are indistinguishable as well.
What surfaces reflect?
Metals and, generally, homogenous materials (dielectrics, conductors, etc). Light reflects off of a conductor or a dielectric due to a relatively straightforward solution to Maxwell’s equations.

In contrast, anything phosphorescent most definitely absorbs and re-emits, sometimes hours later. Imagine glow-in-the-dark pigment.

It was fun to think about glow in the dark pigments that way.
Thanks, yes makes sense. But do metals actually reflect or do they just absorb and just release spontaneously?
This probably depends on your perspective. If you think of a metal as a homogenous linear medium (which is a good approximation for long wavelengths but is not exact), then light is a wave, photos are an unnecessary detail, and the wave mostly reflects and is absorbed as heat. If you look the metal as a whole bunch of atoms and a sea of mobile, discrete electrons, then the incoming photons excite the sea of electrons and, when the interaction settles down, photons are leaving. If you insist on modeling the electrons with QED, congratulations, you’ve made your life unnecessarily complicated unless the photons have such high energies that electrons are created or end up with relativistic velocities. If you believe in string theory, maybe the photons were only an approximation in the first place.

Physics is all about choosing an appropriate model of the world that captures the detail you need without being more complicated than needed. Is a person on a playground swing a pendulum, or is it a bag of molecules sitting on a flexible piece of rubber suspended by a bunch of rusty metal links from a flexible steel bar that is, in turn, supported by many geological layers in the Earth’s crust?