[logifail]

> The whole model of needing to own your own transportation devices is flawed.

99% of all our family journeys begin and end at our home. Happily we own two (ICE) vehicles, they're sitting outside the house right now ready to be used tomorrow.

(As an aside) I've just booked a flight for Sunday (o/w flight $46 including all taxes and fees). I'm flying the best part of 600mi, so I've booked a rental car at the destination airport. It's going to cost me $72 for three days rental, including all taxes and fees.

None of this stuff is new...

[zymhan]

I'm not sure how this refutes the idea that you don't need to own a car in a well-designed city

[pasttense01]

Do any of these "well-designed cities" have reasonable housing costs?

[mantas]

Don't need, but it's still damn handy. And a "well-designed city" is usually based on assumption that all people are +/- identical. Well, guess what, different people have different preferences...

Source: european

[megablast]

Sure, but also incredibly dangerous, costly, polluting and selfish.

[mantas]

Human life in general causes danger, costs, polluting and is selfish.

Meanwhile I find "well designed city" environment bad to my mental health. Who (or what?) is it "well designed" for?

[iknowstuff]

Well your finding is wrong. Well designed cities, which are dense and encourage walking, have lots of small businesses along the sidewalk etc., lead to lower occurrence of loneliness and depression (vs. suburban areas).

[mantas]

Alright, let's say my personal experience is wrong. I guess I'm not a well-designed human. Is it a truly good design if people have to be designed for it?

Moving away from downtown to outskirts worked pretty well to my mental health.

Obviously different people have different needs. And even same human being have different needs in different stages of his life. But I find it hard to call something "well designed" if it works only for some people in some walks of life.

[rory096]

How many externalities are you offloading onto society with the choices you just described?

[Fellshard]

How many externalities would be required to make a more unified, bulk transport system work effectively? How much would have to be completely torn down and reconstructed? How could the 'last leg' problem be feasibly solved? This ain't a one-way question, and sometimes status quo has the simple benefit of causing minimal externalities to sustain.