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by gills
5602 days ago
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Not arguing with you, just some thoughts... 'Government' does not imply any particular form, nor does it imply consent or participation of the governed; the warlord model has had a pretty good run throughout history. And yeah, none of us drew the border, but neither did the folks who live there...so there figuring it out now. Better late than never, right? |
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I didn't claim it implies consent, but there is a pretty clear distinction between warlord or feudal lord and "the government", at least to me.
Genghis Khan was pretty powerful warlord, controlling much of Eurasia at one point, but he didn't have the government and he wasn't governing.
There's something else that you need to have in order to be considered The Government than just the ability to kill many and collect tax from many. But I'm too tired to elaborate any further right now. This thread is getting too long anyway.
And yeah, none of us drew the border, but neither did the folks who live there...so there figuring it out now. Better late than never, right?
actually it was largely us, the so-called "Western Civilization" that drew Somalia borders as they are recognized today. My point was that we already agree where that border is supposed to be (and nobody seriously recognizes Somaliland).