[earlINmeyerkeg]

A surveillance state wouldn't be such a burden if the rights we had actually could be enforced on the spot the moment they were infringed by a police force.

The fact that you can be imprisoned (borderline indefinitely it seems at times) as well has basically need a lawyer even though your issue is straight up black and white really shows the failures of a police state. Whats the point in having rights in a surveillance state? The government will just make stuff up against you anyway.

[ericns]

Where you say "really shows the failures of a police state." It's a great success, the greatest actually. The people who fail to enforce anything against the police are the same people who need them to act as the tip of their spear. The purpose isn't everyone compliance - just the compliance of those with the potential to change things. Think FBI and MLK, or Aaron Swartz. It's like spear fishing vs mass spam, tracking the individual agents of change and their social network vs fire hoses and dogs at protests.

[earlINmeyerkeg]

I guess I was coming from the philosophy of why it's bad on a liberalism mindset. I totally get why it's good for a governing body to assume control.