[crazygringo]

No it's not. "Joy" isn't a bad word. Joysticks seem to be fine.

It's specifically that the band "Joy Division" was named intentionally after a regrettable piece of history, and "joy plots" are named because of a Joy Division album cover.

Words aren't bad -- it's the meaning and derivation behind them. Etymology matters.

[DonHopkins]

Do you think the Mac OS System 7.1 user interface designers at Apple should have called that grinning penis-like thing with a rash on the tip the "Control Strip"? It's just such a bad name, on so many levels.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21870821

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_Strip

>The Control Strip is a user interface component introduced in the "classic" System 7 Macintosh operating system. It currently exists as part of the Touch Bar interface in macOS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortifications_of_the_inner_Ge...

>In the West, the control strip became known as the "death strip" (Todesstreifen) because of the shoot-to-kill orders given to the border guards. The East Germans preferred to call it by the more euphemistic name of the "action strip" (Handlungsstreifen). It was also nicknamed the Pieck-Allee ("Pieck Avenue") after East Germany's president Wilhelm Pieck (1949–60).

[crazygringo]

Show evidence that the Mac OS control strip was named after German war fortifications.

Instead of it clearly just being a literal strip of controls.

Clearly you're not going to find any.

This is my point. Etymology and history matters.

Also, gratuitous genital analogies don't help to make anyone's case here.

[DonHopkins]

Show your evidence that "Joy Plots" were named after the Freudenabteilung. Yet you support the R community changing the name.

Clearly you're not going to find any evidence that the R community named the plots after the Freudenabteilung.

Instead of it clearly just being an innocent literal reference to the name of the band who produced a famous album cover that inspired the plots.

If your point is that etymology and history matter, then why are you saying that it matters for the R community, but not Apple?

By your inconsistent logic, it's not OK to criticize Apple for naming the Control Strip even through they may not have realized the historical meaning of Kontrollstreifen at the time, but it's OK to criticize the R community for naming Joy Plots after the name of a band instead of Freudenabteilung. Why the Widerspruch und Doppelmoral?

Your own words contradict your point: 'This isn't about "cancelling". It's about something being in bad taste in the first place, even if the originator hadn't been aware of it.' Yet now you're saying that because Apple was not aware of the dark meaning of "Control Strip", it's wrong to criticize that name. Pick a lane, and stick with it.

My point is that IBM declined to name the input device that Ted Selker invented the "Joy Button", even though that's what he originally wanted to call it (if not the "Keyboard Clitoris" or "Control Knob"), so they named it the "Trackpoint" instead. And that was most likely to avoid any sexual connotations, not about Nazi allusions.

Yet IBM has an unabashed well documented history of marketing and selling computing machinery to Nazi Germany that facilitated the Holocaust, which substantially enabled them to identify, round up, and murder many Jews and other persecuted minorities (not to mention their contracts with the US Government to help round up Japanese people into internment camps). So by IBM management's logic, Nazi are fine upstanding customers, but sexual references in product names are a no-no.

Please be a Joy Button, not a Control Knob!

[crazygringo]

> Show your evidence that "Joy Plots" were named after the Freudenabteilung.

Huh? Joy plots were named after Joy Division (because of their album cover), which was named for what happened in the Holocaust.

The chain of derivation is crystal clear and 100% undisputed.

The Control Strip is named after a strip of controls. There's zero evidence of derivation from something else.

End of story.

I don't know why you're continuing to talk about genitals or IBM. They have zero to do with this.