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I admit that the DD was not a good example for two reasons:

One, there are very aggressive negative consequences --this has an impact on some people.

Two, we have a better chance of changing behavior if we do it in a coordinated manner with good methods when we start young. So, I may be a bit too pessimistic since I think we can make a difference if we start young but with good persistence practices. Given we indoctrinate kids against this since middle school, I think it's made a difference.