[ljw1001]

I'm not sure that's the argument people are making. For Iran, it was US overthrew our fledgling democracy and replaced him with a tyrant, whose oppression led to a(n Islamic) revolution, which just gave us a different kind of tyrant.

Part of the issue we see in the Middle East, IMO, is that Islamists got the upper hand because they were the only organizations that were tolerated under the oppressive regimes that existed in so many places (Iran, Iraq, Syria, the Gulf states, Egypt,...).

[mytailorisrich]

Regarding Iran, the Shah was a stooge and Western influence was seen as too strong. We often see pictures of women in miniskirts in Tehran during the 70s like if that was a sign of a great time... except that the Iranian population was more conservative and did not see that as a positive.

The Islamists were both nationalists and traditionalists and got the upper hand because of that.

Iran is a great and old culture and civilisation and, like perhaps China, they won't let foreigners take over and dictate the rules.

Unfortunately, it looks like the USA still don't get that.