Exactly. Seems here that there’s tons of Dart fanboys in this thread forgetting that most people code to solve a business problem in the most efficient way.
What Flutter has achieved is impressive, but I don't think it's reasonable to classify Dart as a good language in 2020 off the back of it -- the competition is just too good.
Dart feels like an older java in a time when java doesn't even feel like java (with the recent versions, along with other JVM options). For example, try and check out Dart's JSON serialization story[0], it's bad compared to Haskell, Rust and even Go. Dart was rewritten (Dart1 was a train wreck) and Dart2 still doesn't have the features that are expected. Who rewrites a language but doesn't add non-nullable types[1]??
The Dart team is full of smart people, and what they've created is certainly a feat of engineering, but the competition is just tough out there. I consider Typescript to be a better language to write (in this same space, since it's an option for Nativescript), and would consider Swift just barely better, and of course on android you have Kotlin (or Go) as a choice.
At this point I'm generally curious, what do Dart fanboys mark as the strengths of the language over others?
Don’t get me wrong but I know a lot of people that don’t use the right tool for the job. And people here are very biased towards Dart.
I was a software engineer coding objc and swift at a pretty well known publicly traded German company. If it wasn’t because of typescript/js I wouldn’t have been able to build my startup completely on my own supporting backend, web, iOS and Android.
I mean I'm definitely one of those people, I have my unreasonable biases, but I just don't see (yet) the reasons behind the Dart bias. I'd love to learn more about it.
And yeah, what's crazy is that in recent time you could know tyepscript/js and actually build every bit of a startup (assuming you know the domains well enough)... Dart as an investment just doesn't make sense when you've got a language like JS (IMO best paired with Typescript) that can go everywhere.
Dart feels like an older java in a time when java doesn't even feel like java (with the recent versions, along with other JVM options). For example, try and check out Dart's JSON serialization story[0], it's bad compared to Haskell, Rust and even Go. Dart was rewritten (Dart1 was a train wreck) and Dart2 still doesn't have the features that are expected. Who rewrites a language but doesn't add non-nullable types[1]??
The Dart team is full of smart people, and what they've created is certainly a feat of engineering, but the competition is just tough out there. I consider Typescript to be a better language to write (in this same space, since it's an option for Nativescript), and would consider Swift just barely better, and of course on android you have Kotlin (or Go) as a choice.
At this point I'm generally curious, what do Dart fanboys mark as the strengths of the language over others?
[0]: https://flutter.dev/docs/development/data-and-backend/json
[1]: https://github.com/dart-lang/sdk/issues/22