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by WalterBright 2355 days ago
The Germans in Russia in WW2 would use fires to warm their tanks and airplanes to get them to start.
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They still do this in some places in Russia.
I might add that lighting a fire under a gas engine that likely has leaks and drips is a pretty ballsy thing to do.
Usually done for big rigs, diesels not gas engines.
Airplane engines are gas!
I didn't have airplane engines in mind when I wrote that (tanks = vehicles) but given the thread context and your airplanes reference I see how that could happen, same thing with 'block heaters' elsewhere in the thread, I take it that is in the context of other vehicles (heavy equipment, tractor-trailers, buses and so on).

And yes, some airplane engines use gas but the majority of them runs something that in constituency is closer to regular diesel than to gas.

Kersone is #1 diesel!

AV gas is another matter entirely but I'm not aware of any jet that would use it, though that might be a fun thing, and given that turbines can run on almost anything combustible it will probably work to some extent but I don't think it will be a happy ending unless the engine is really designed for it.

Btw, this is an interesting start-up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESdHyNtHpqs not cold weather but I'd hate to fly that in any conditions.

Being WW2, these were piston engines running avgas.
Airplane engines are gas!

Sure, small ones with piston engines. Sure. Most anything running a turbine uses Jet-A which is closer to kerosene / diesel than gasoline.

If you're leaking fuel you've got bigger problems than how to safely heat up the engine.

Jet aircraft were little-used during WWII.

(There were some, late in the war, but only just. Otherwise, all aircraft were piston-driven, running avgas, a/k/a petrol / gasoline.)

Modern prop planes tend to use high-octane gas. Jets use jet fuel (kerosene), which is really a light diesel.
It’s rare to have an engine that just drips fuel. Lubrication oil for sure, but straight up petrol leaks for a non-running engine require a lot of things to be wrong.
You're talking about a very heavily used airplane in a barely usable airfield with desperate mechanics, often under attack, adverse weather, and parts shortages.
Or an sr-71
hey at least they decided not to use hypergolic fuel in the sr-71 tho having a jet that was on fire all the time would be pretty bad ass looking. Titanium would probbably handle it and it'd eventually warm up the skin and close the gaps.
Whilst the SR-71 didn't run on hypergolic fuel (because reasons -- including leaky tanks and supersonic skin-heating, so JP-7, which specifically has a high flash point was used for fuel), the ignition system for the aircraft, including its afterburner ignition system, used hypergolic fuel (triethylborane) to initiate combustion, with a limited number of ignition cycles aboard each mission.

Afterburner light-ups were limited by the availability of TEB aboard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triethylborane

IIRC, there are some issues with Red Fuming Nitric Acid & titanium, possibly resulting in sudden explosions under some circumstances.

Hydrazine + nitrous oxide could be fine though, but better check first before use. ;-)