[zttxc]

You have no idea of how much a votekick system will get abused. Nobody would ever seriously consider such a system in 2020.

Teammates will kick you out for stealing kills from them. Teammates will leave bots on even if they are flagrant bots if they are helping the team. Enemies will kick you out if you are too good.

[briffle]

I play many games that still have vote/kick. (Most often, Insurgency). The 2 most common vote kicks are an idle player that is the last player left on a team, and the guy sniping with a 40/3 K/D ratio, and a ping of > 300ms, that doesn't respond to any chat or voice chat, etc.

[anonymousab]

I play in custom servers for plenty of games that have vote kick and ban systems. The games themselves may be old, but the players range from fresh to old guard. Valve FPS games were / are particularly good for this.

>Teammates will kick you out for stealing kills from them

Then you find another server that has fostered a better community. Or even start your own.

Even if the ratio of absolute mean-spirited jerks to decent players was 10:1, that's more than enough well intentioned players to foster good server communities. But I suspect the actual number is closer to a reversed amount.

Obviously MMOs would be a different beast, but the type of cheating you're trying to defeat - the threat model - is often different than wallhacking autoaimers.

[zttxz]

Sorry, I am talking about MMOs exclusively. Some of those also have you compete not only against the enemy team but also against your own team for ranks

[jeltz]

Why would it be abused more today? It was not abused that much back when I played Quake 1 and Quake 2.

[hinkley]

I believe the loot system changes in WoW were inspired by occurrences of groups of people joining matchmaking together, then kicking a person after the boss died and taking all the stuff for themselves. I only saw this sort of behavior firsthand once or twice, but I’ve heard from others who thought it was widespread.

[zttxc]

And in WoW too, given how the honor rank system works, imagine if people could kick others from battlegrounds: they would kick those with higher ranks so they could climb the ranks faster themselves.

[Nullabillity]

So.. don't design systems that encourage toxic behaviour?

In the case of WoW, they realized their mistake and ripped out the global PvP ladder over a decade ago.

[zttxz]

Classic has the ladder again :)

[catalogia]

Then don't buy it! If the product is known to be defective, resist the marketing and be a savvy consumer who doesn't buy products known to be faulty!

[catalogia]

> "You have no idea of how much a votekick system will get abused."

Votekick systems used to work great for many games. They don't work in games with global ranking systems because those ranking systems create toxic incentives. Once games become "serious business" instead of casual fun, the knives come out.

[perl4ever]

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