[vaksel]

there aren't that many new jobs added to all the jobs sites every day, so if you limit yourself just to sending resumes within the closest 100 miles, 15 minutes a day can be as much as you can actually spend.

and yes sending resumes isn't as productive as having connections, but a lot of people just don't have that many connections that they can tap to get them a job

[roel_v]

Re: #1, great! That means you have 7 hours and 45 minutes left each day to browse the Yellow Pages for companies that employ people in your line of work, look up their websites for job ads, find out who their HR managers are and call them to see if there are non-advertised job openings, participate in online forums where there are people who work in companies you want to work and who could be looking for people, etc. etc. The whole point is that just sending out some resumes each day is the wrong approach to finding a job.

[vaksel]

have you had that work for you or for anyone yo know? or are you just throwing it out there as a way to do something.

it's easy to say go walk from business to business shaking hands asking if their company is hiring, and yes for a few people that might actually work...but for the vast majority it'll be an exercise in futility.

[bartonfink]

I know of one person who got a job that way. He was pretty damned good, and had the benefit that he was 18 at the time and didn't know that going door to door "never works."

[vaksel]

was it for a real job or for a minimum wage type job(McDonalds etc)

[bartonfink]

Please don't be a smartass. It was a real job as a software engineer at a DARPA research lab. Like I said, he was good.

[salemh]

Congrats to him! 10 cold-calls a day to relevant companies and specific hiring manager (jigsaw, spoke, linkedin) is highly effective at gaining 1st interviews. Linkedin just for "cold connection" or "cold email" contact works very well also. With recent grads / the younger work force tends to apply for jobs outside the realm of their abilities. Such as, 3-5 years of X and X. My own favorite (I was unemployed for 6 months post grad in 2009) was contacting companies / persons and stating something to the effect of "I know you are looking for someone with 3-5 years of experience. I am a recent graduate with 1-2 and wanted to know if you were considering more junior candidates. Could we setup a phone or 1st interview?" Or, volunteering for free.

[klenwell]

It was the DARPA research lab next to the McDonald's.

[pzxc]

It certainly will be an exercise in futility if that's what you think it is before you even start.

[vaksel]

same question for you...has it worked for you or anyone you know?

[pzxc]

Yes.

[ora600]

worked for me too.

[ylem]

Actually, one difference between poor and rich is in the reach of their social networks...

For some people (see my other post about my sister), they spend part of the time crafting resumes for companies either in their field, or trying to get temp jobs, volunteering, and trying to intern in hopes of getting a job in a new field. If that doesn't fill the time, they may try to take classes, or try to start a business (but that requires skills and funding).

[patio11]

So make connections. People with day jobs manage to do this, too: imagine how easy it is with lots of free time.

[loewenskind]

Except that they make these connections because they're working. Once I arranged to work weekends and have Monday/Tuesday off. I thought it would be so great because I wouldn't have to fight the crowds. So I called up my friends... but they were all working. I switched back to normal as quickly as I could.

If you're not working, you are completely out of the loop of those that are.

[vaksel]

easier said than done

you have to think outside the programmer mindset where there are lots of opportunities to meet people. For other careers, the only way to meet people in your industry is through a job or a conference.

[patio11]

I keep forgetting that the thriving tech scene in rural Japan skews my perspective so much. Seriously, though: if this is true, shouldn't programmers be basically incapable of dating (skew in industry, barriers to meeting outside)?

It can't be harder to meet people than to date people. They go to places and do things. Well known places, most of which are in the phone book, many of which are open to the public, etc.

I mean, take the automobile industry. I think anyone on HN could find a car salesman or MechE willing to talk to you in maybe two phone calls. There, you aren't a stranger anymore. (I further predict that most MechEs would fall over themselves lining up to talk to someone who sounded interested in torque ratios or whatever.)

[rdouble]

Programmers are basically incapable of dating...

[stevejohnson]

No other comment I have ever read on HN has made me as angry as this one.

My last emotional response comment wasn't such a good idea, so I'll leave you to your bigotry.

[rdouble]

Therapy can assist with relationship problems as well as anger management issues.

[neworbit]

The local daycares seem to be exclusively populated by kids of engineers, so I question that :)

[Unseelie]

To date people, unless you have the misfortune of being gay (only in the sense that it limits your pool), you've massive numbers of singles wandering around...not nearly so common are the people who are connections, and certianly not at the bottom.

[ylem]

I think it's a question of what comes out of making these connections. For example, there are formal "networking" events. However, what are the statistics of job offers that come from these?