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by mswehli 2365 days ago
Honestly, think they stand a pretty good chance in making it successful, especially considering how good their domestic home appliance capabilities has become. Different things, but atleast the embedded systems/electrical engineering talent is there.
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I'm from Turkey, this is just a show for always upcoming elections. Best engineers in Turkey already left the ship, and the remaining is looking for a way out
Hey, I'm a Turk left the ship 6 years ago. Turkey has infinite amount of engineer supply. I'm also sure the remaining can handle this.
An anecdote: All the exceptionally talented engineers that I know already left the country (That is like 5 of my friends) and found very lucrative jobs on various European countries. Not only that but not so exceptionally talented engineers that I know also managed to leave the country.

Each week I tend to get so many messages on LinkedIn from engineers in Turkey that want to leave the country...

Funny thing is some of these engineers were actually very nationalistic but even they couldn’t take how the ruling party and Erdogan governs Turkey.

So yeah, personally I wouldn’t bet much money on engineers that are currently staying in Turkey.

"Turkey has infinite amount of engineer supply"

That seems unlikely.

7000000 country could probably produce more engineering talent than it can utilize. And building everyday cars is somewhat easy compared to the aerospace, weapons, nuclear reactors or big dams/bridges/tunnels - you don't push neither material science nor laws of physics to the limit.
The country can also kill most of their talent psychologically, if not physically and force best to exile, with mix of repressive politics, military, no freedom s etc. There seems to be correlation of freedom in a country and innovation success.
Historically, the correlation you mention seems quite weak. Two of the most oppressive regimes of the 20th century achieved some of the most spectacular technological results.
Unless you count the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, which out-engineered the west for decades.
Regressive fascists don’t tend to reach their potential engineering quality.

Take that number. Subtract all women and Kurds, people who speak critically of the government. Adjust for the academics held as political prisoners and brain drained talent.

That’s your engineering base. You can’t square the engineering circle when your government is actively engaged in repressing the population.

Why subtract women? I'm quite sure that women participation in engineering studies is higher than in most (all) western nations.
Woman and Kurdish engineers are plenty in Turkey. It could be better sure. The way you say it makes me think you haven't lived in Turkey lately.
German engineers during WWII seems to refute this claim. History shows that talented engineers drafted machines of mass murder with smile, as long as it would fund their departments and I'm sure there were other considerations in their decision to comply as well.
Bullshit!

I know Turkey had a Kurdish president as well as many kurdish senators in parliament. Some member of opposition party some members of Erdogan's party.

I know some cities have Arabic people more than Kurdish in east of Turkey.

The problem historical, needs to be closed for the sake of the citizens.

File that under "Not even wrong"

Women in Turkey are allowed to study and participate active in the economy. Ditto with Kurds. The purges of academics were mostly in humanities.

There are a shitload of tensions between the white and black turks, between turks and kurds, erdogan is hardly the most pleasant person in the world and has lots of enemies, with the slowing economy country imploding at some point is not unthinkable, but so far the day to day life in Turkey is chugging along just fine.

That's actually untrue, building a consumer vehicle _profitably_ is much harder than building a nuke or other weapons.

Weapons just need to work, a consumer vehicle need to be cost effective, your 80s style Soviet radas are not going to sell at all despite relative ease of production.

> 7000000 country could probably produce more engineering talent than it can utilize.

South Africa has more than 50,000,000 - still can't build coal power plants without mucking it up. So ... not sure why you think what you think.

7m? I guess most African countries are just choke full of engineers, way more than they can utilize. Of course, having moved to one of these countries, all real construction is done by the Chinese.
With all its engineering mighty it can't even produce quality appliances (BEKO) and we are talking about cars here.As someone commented here, it all looks great on paper but as soon as you start making it, you realise it ain't that easy.
I dont know what you are talking about. Arcelik for example produces much better quality appliances than most its US competitors. But this fact does not fit your narrative I guess.
Turkey has its own home grown aerospace industry that is an order of magnitude complexity than building a CAR [1]. IMHO they will do fine me think.

[1]https://www.tusas.com/en

quantity != quality
I am saying this as a spectator observing politics in the region. I don't want to undermine the PR value of this announcement, but Turkey appears to have capability to pull this off. Now if you said Poland..