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by dotBen 5619 days ago
Nothing to do with startups, I think spending some time visiting campus before you apply is a wise idea. Like you said, it's 4 years you'll be here.

Just remember that neither Berkeley or Stanford are in San Francisco and if you attend either it is unlikely you would be living in San Francisco during your studies.

I'm assuming, therefore, you meant the SF Bay Area in which case definitely come and spend time in the East Bay (for Berkeley) and Palo Alto region (for Stanford).

The East Bay is known to be 'gritty' in (most) places and so if you've not lived in an inner-city area with social problems then its worth finding out if it is for you. Berkeley itself doesn't have quite those problems but many people who study there don't necessarily live in Berkeley itself.

Stanford does have a great campus, but for me the wider area is incredibly boring. If you just want to study for 4 years it's ideal, but if you see university life as a rite of passage as much as an academic experience you'll find yourself spending a lot of time in SF.

I should say, I'm envious (in a positive, good way) you are in a position academically and financially to be able to apply to either - I would have loved the opportunity to go but sadly never made it to university, let alone either of these fine institutions.

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All good info, except I think the "(most) places" overstates how "gritty" the East Bay is. There are more poor neighborhoods than on the peninsula and valley, yes, but also plenty of everything else as well – it's expansive and diverse in every dimension.

(The areas a Berkeley student is likely to live are more urban/dense than many a suburban – or Australian – newcomer might be familiar with, but still far from 'inner-city' conditions. The prevalence of panhandlers/streetdwellers is likely to be the most notable 'grittiness', in SF/Berkeley/Oakland, for people who haven't seen it before.)

North of San Jose, its only East Palo Alto that comes to mind as an area of crime/danger/social issue - and frankly EPA has been massively cleaned up and gentrified since Ikea was built.

Oakland remains a dangerous city, with large 'no go' areas after dark (and even some during the day). Yes there are some nice parts, Piedmont is very trendy and Berkeley is pretty mellow. But you can't deny there remains some very serious issues in large parts of the East Bay.

...but still not "most" places in the East Bay. (And though it may be a statistical anomaly, for homicides in 2011 so far SF is running even with Oakland, and San Jose almost as many.)

Edit: Corrected; at first I wrote that SF and SJ each had more than Oakland, but the actual numbers seem to be SF-11, O-11, SJ-10... if the rate continues, each will have a much worse year than last year.