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by jtx22 2371 days ago
Protecting the sovereignty of your country will be paramount in the future. Future generations will look back at this borderless craze.. as truly insane.
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Strict immigration control is a relatively modern phenomenon, and you should reevaluate your viewpoint if you find it so easy to justify putting children in cages. Scratch that, justify other people putting children in cages. Most people who support these policies wouldn't have the stomach to do the dirty work themselves.
The present state of migration is also a modern phenomenon - otherwise, countries wouldn't be trending from more towards less homogeneous, but would already be in a 'steady state'.
Not true. People have been migrating from place to place for all of recorded history. Cultural homogeneity is nothing more than a "good ole days" fallacy; it's never really been a thing anywhere, except in the most remote parts of the world.
Look at the "Population by country of birth 1900-2016" graph for Sweden [1]. It is at ~100% in 1900, and ~82% in 2016.

The US went from 87.9% white in 1900, to 72.4% in 2010 [2]. Unfortunately, I couldn't find such demographic histories for other countries. But search for "US/Europe becoming more diverse", and you'll find countless articles, from mainstream publications, asserting this. So to claim otherwise is extremely fringe.

And there is mathematically no way for a place to be becoming more diverse, while keeping historically constant migration. If the migration hadn't changed in some way, then it would already be diverse. It also means that, if it's becoming more diverse, that it was less diverse, i.e. more homogeneous, in the past.

Looking at the present, China is 91.6% ethnically Han [3], and Hungary is 93.5% ethnically Hungarian [4]. So unless you think China or Hungary or US in 1900-1970 are "the most remote parts of the world", then no, homogeneity is provably not a fallacy.

So yes, "People have been migrating from place to place for all of recorded history", but both the rate and nature of this migration changed, and just a quick glance at the headlines of virtually any news source is enough to tell you this.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden#History

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_State...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Hungary

You realize civilization is older than 120 years right?
So your thesis is ~100 years ago was some freak historical period when countries were mostly homogeneous (compared to current day. Please don't cite e.g. Czechs and Slovaks living in the same country as diversity comparable to current day), but throughout the rest of history, diversity was much greater.

Do you have sources to back this up? And how did those countries become homogeneous, then?

Maybe "the sovereignty of your country" is an obsolete concept that we inherited from the Middle Ages that should go away.
The Middle Ages didn't have anything like borders in our contemporary sense. It's a modern invention that only came into full form in the 20th century.
>Protecting the sovereignty of your country will be paramount in the future.

Well that would be a giant step back from all the gains that have been made post WWII with the development of the United Nations, UN Security Council, UN Charter, and the entire body of international laws which is founded on sovereign nations voluntarily subjecting themselves to these international law, treaties, customs and norms.

==Future generations will look back at this borderless craze.. as truly insane.==

Why will future generations be interested in things that never existed?

How has the sovereignty of your country materially benefited you?
The ability for my country to forecast expenses and protect the safety and security of its citizens -- to name a couple of examples.