[misterman0]

You're not buying apples, though. You're buying "apples+X". That's a different from "apples". If your seller is upfront about that then I and people who want just an apple can go somewhere else for fruit. Most, though, aren't upfront about it.

[matz1]

If you want to buy just apples then you should buy it from other seller who just sells apples.

[Fnoord]

That is up to our governments to decide if such is allowed or not. For example, it isn't allowed to sell a gun or drugs with an apple (at least not here in The Netherlands, YMMV).

That you can decide to not go for the entire package is not what we disagree on (apart from above, I suppose).

What we were discussing is that the consent is optional; it is not in any of these examples. It is part of the package deal; then you don't call it opt-in or opt-out, as that allows you to opt-in or opt-out of something which is otherwise not in your direct advantage, but is in the other party's advantage.

[matz1]

That should be up to us (not government) to decide if such is allowed or not.

>What we were discussing is that the consent is optional

Yes the consent is optional, in the sense you are allowed to opt-out by not buying the apple or buying it from someone else or produce it yourself.

[Fnoord]

> That should be up to us (not government) to decide if such is allowed or not.

It is up to us to elect those who represent us in our governments.

[matz1]

Sure, I will elect those who allow consent as I describe.

[Fnoord]

All in the name of "liberty" for businesses, so they can vulture on the weak (the consumer). Land of the free, indeed.