[greenmachine]

Not much of a comparison between Ireland and Egypt obviously. That's why the comparison to France is more appropriate: where the people were actually unwilling to take it lying down - as they are doing in Ireland. It doesn't matter that a general election has been called. With the poverty of leadership in Irish politics at the moment, Ireland is in for more of the same incompetence that led to the current disaster from whatever regime takes over. With activist unrest earlier on, it might have been possible to make it clear that the decision to bailout the banks was unacceptable and needed to be reversed. So, yes, sometimes you have to burn a few cars if you want to be heard. Instead the passivity of the Irish people has doomed the economy for generations.

[Padraig]

I wonder about that. I view our (lack of) reaction as mature, not passive. People died in Greece and they burned all kinds of things. They still have a huge debt to pay back. We're taking it like grown ups and having an election.

[greenmachine]

If you have to choose between a mature reaction that keeps you in debt and an immature reaction that leads to reversing the bad decisions that have been made at the citizens' expense, I would take the latter. But most Irish seem too concerned about their precious "international reputation" to do that - I hear this refrain all the time. Many people seem more concerned with the effect of the crisis on Ireland's reputation abroad than with the impact on current and future generations. "Taking it like a grown up", as you put it, is not the highest aspiration one can have in this situation - you could simply refuse to accept the situation and create such a stink that nothing can happen in the country until some of these devastating economic decisions have been reversed. If Iceland can get away with it, Ireland can too.

[Padraig]

My argument is that violent protests would do very little to help. We're having an election that will throw the ruling party out. The next government are campaigning on the basis that they'll get a better deal. I doubt they will succeed, but rioting on the assumption that the problems can be decided away won't make it any more likely.