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by mapleoin 2375 days ago
So two programmers ran a streaming website bigger than Netflix from their garage?
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I guess Netflix needs their developers for all the random UI changes nobody is asking for and some "unrelated recommendations" engine.
Agreed. And what frustrates me to no-end is that they constantly move the last thing I watched away from a single click when I return to the app.
It’s to “trick” people into thinking there is more content than there is, by having to scroll through it. I don’t know why they think people won’t wise up to the ruse after some point.

I opted to cancel rather than be inconvenienced.

Yes it's as if they've never heard about anyone falling asleep while watching a film.
You had noticed that too? I have it on my APple TV, my "smart" TV, Android and iOS/iPad OS. I am baffled by the constant updates to it.

I literally cannot work out why they need to "update" it once a week (at least!). Since its inception, it has let you add films to a list, remove them from the list, browse said list, and watch a film and scrub/seek. What else is there that possibly needs "updating" every single week???

Does Netflix still have the “keep test”? If so, this might be why all the constant changes. If you’re not providing as much value as the next dev, you lose that well paying gig.
Have you used any pirate streaming websites? They're pure garbage, bad UX, bad image quality, choppy video. The only reason anybody uses them is the price or lack of legal options
I've obviously never committed piracy - but most of the websites I've been on are better than Hulu or many of the other streaming services because they're focused on user features and not what a product manager thinks is pretty and "modern".
You must be using some awful services because my experience has been that piracy, and pirate streaming services, are better, easier, and more available than ever
I find their UI pretty good and at least they work consistently, I was sometimes pirating shows I had access for free on Amazon prime due to DRM issues, a good example it's not only about pricing.
I hate DRM too I buy games and play pirated version instead
Popcorn Time’s UI is very easy to use, and rarely has problems.
Popcorn time is cancer for me, I always have issues where I cannot play the video anymore, the loader varies (sometimes it loads fast, sometime slow, not matter the download rate). I think these problems are probably caused by Electron / some bad JS code but still I fint it frustrating, other than that Popcorn time is a fantastic idea. But I just cannot like their UI / UX.
> One of the platforms reportedly had more paying subscribers than Netflix, Hulu and other popular licensed streaming platforms.

So it was’t a free service?

I know you’re referring to websites but Plex is a pretty damn good offering these days. I recommend everyone check it out.
The article has been updated to reflect that they had more content not more subscribers.

> “Polo pitched his service to potential clients by pointing out that it offered more content than competing legal services such as Netflix, Hulu, Vudu, and Amazon Prime.”

Total revenue was less than a couple million dollars.

> Total revenue was less than a couple million dollars.

I think you mean that the revenue of a 2 guy company was over a million dollars.

> > Total revenue was less than a couple million dollars.

> I think you mean that the revenue of a 2 guy company was _over a million dollars_.

No. It is meant as a comparison with Netflix which has a revenue of 15.79 billion dollars.

"They have more content, but make less money," works, but "they have more content, but make _over a million dollars_," doesn't work as well.

The cynic in me would say they did not spend half their time building resumé-ware. But the numbers are probably totally wrong.
Something is fishy about this. Netflix's infrastructure is massive, and their bandwidth usage is a big chunk of the entire internet. How could this possibly go unnoticed for any amount of time?
I think it is in an error in the reporting. The press release from the FBI only mentions content, not subscribers.

I actually remember JetFlix and wondering how they had so much content. They were acting like a real company, IIRC.

More content than any of the silos seems plausible, since all they have to do is aggregate.

More paying subscribers would be a huge.

I'd imagine the "more subscribers than Netflix" is an inflated number
What if they were using something like webtorrent to reduce their bandwidth costs?
It's just a software in front of existing torrents.
They were just running streaming software in front of existing torrent and NZB content. That's why they could scale relatively easy and why they were caught.
To be fair, it was a really big garage.
I would be super interested in a detailed breakdown of their stack, I assume something built on p2p was used, otherwise the compute, bandwidth, and storage costs would be insane.
Bandwidth at any decent metro area colo these days is cheap af. Last I did the math I saved 15x the egress Data charges versus if I just put it directly in AWS.
The numbers don't add up.
and yet they are getting punished for it, what a world we live in, right?