[Arathorn]

Matrix project lead here; fwiw we’re aiming to turn on E2E by default for private rooms by end of Jan. It’s not really a non-standard add-on; it’s in the core of the protocol and has been designed for from the outset. It’s a pain in the ass to get right in a decentralised world though, hence the delay in forcing it on for everyone.

p.s. support for ephemeral msgs was released on the server in RC yesterday.

[tptacek]

The way these conversations are structured, I'm always going to come across like I'm rooting for Matrix to fail, which is not at all the case. Like I said, I use Slack more than any other group messaging system, and while Slack does have some security assets that Matrix lacks, nobody can say that it has a more coherent encryption story. I wish Matrix all the best; I just don't think it's reasonable to suggest it as an alternative for people who need secure messaging that reliably works in groups of people.