[SubuSS]

I was 50-50 on the victim blaming comment to show up since this was HN and not reddit, lost that bet :)

As much as blaming is wrong, I do believe in personal responsibility as well. I do not agree with the broad brush that's being used widely around victim blaming being 100% bad. I think it is a spectrum and in this case it definitely tilts towards the buyer.

And no - pre-order from this site is not the same as PS4 pre order. There is a huge difference between a big company that has something to lose and will stand behind its product Vs a random company that goes bust after a facebook spend - that's what makes it a gamble.

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When I ordered in September, it was not being advertised as a pre order. I fully expected my scooters to be shipped immediately.