[cixter]

When would she have time to do this? Also (and I feel like I'm grasping at straws getting this point across), when your whole existence revolves around just getting to work and back, is it fair of us to require people to have the horizon and insight to understand how to progress their situation? The underlying problem is that exploitation of poor people by these massive corporations lines the pockets of the already extremely wealthy, while it keeps people like Ms. Brown in a constant struggle to keep her head above water.

[soulofmischief]

when your whole existence revolves around just getting to work and back, is it fair of us to require people to have the horizon and insight to understand how to progress their situation?

The implication is that I expect people of reasonable intelligence to do whatever, and I mean whatever, they have to do within ethical boundaries in order to increase their economic opportunities. I don't need a crash course in the history of racial socioeconomic exploitation in the US.

Ask any successful black entrepreneur in the US if they agree with me.

[cixter]

How about people without "reasonable intelligence"? Do they deserve the hardships of perpetual poverty? Why should genes and a genetic lottery decide if you can live a decent life or not?

[soulofmischief]

It is up to successful people and organizations to care for those who cannot provide for themselves, and up to our government to enforce this. I am not a free market capitalist and I believe in UBI.

But we're only here to discuss those who are capable, and why it is they might not be taking advantage of upward mobility.

[cixter]

I'm not sure I understand. How can you believe in UBI and still believe that it's up to private initiatives to care for those who can't provide for themselves?

As for your second point: I wasnt aware we're only here for that? That's in any case not my agenda.

[soulofmischief]

I wasnt aware we're only here for that? That's in any case not my agenda.

That was the discussion my post opened up. So if we're going to discuss anything here together, it's going to be that.

How can you believe in UBI and still believe that it's up to private initiatives to care for those who can't provide for themselves?

UBI does not currently exist, and the only reason it will ever come to exist is if we all take personal agency and revolt against the current status quo maintained by CorpGov.

Until people like Ms. Brown are provided the education and motivation they need in order to fight for a secured future for posterity, these problems will continue to get worse.

It's not easy. It's not fun. It's not ideal. But life and liberty come at a cost, sweat and blood, and if you are not willing to pay those costs or assist others in paying them, you do not necessarily deserve life and liberty.