[stevehawk]

> The USA behaves like Russia and China, they spy on foreigners, influence their elections, start unjustified wars for oil and generally have a very low regard for freedom and liberty outside of their soil.

I'm sorry, but which of those do European nations not engage in as well?

[oblio]

Almost any European country that's not France, the UK or Russia.

[stevehawk]

I'd like to encourage you to look into some history books and current newspapers.

[oblio]

You're making quite a few assumptions, there. I'll disregard the ad hominem and wait patiently for recent examples of what you're referring to.

By recent, I'm willing to accept things in the past 30 years. Again, exclude France, the UK and Russia.

[stevehawk]

Belgium politicking in Rwanda basically caused a genocide. Germany has an active intelligence effort which reportedly compromised or intercepted Obama's mobile phone (intentionally). Europe has a very active intelligence and counter intelligence. They didn't all decide to magically get along and trust each other because WW2 ended.

[dangerface]

Whataboutisms don't matter but if it makes you feel better:

> We wrote the game Americans are playing

[stevehawk]

I'm not trying to play the "what about" game, but I find it laughable for a European to get uppity about anyone else interfering in international politics or spying while in the same rant implying they don't partake.