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by comunekate 2385 days ago
I ask this question in good faith and it's in no way an attack on you. It's really just food for thought and an invitation for discussion:

You say that a person searching through your pickup/ other peoples stuff is going to go away for longer when they are caught because of the ring surveillance network.

Do you as a person who uses HN, has the money to buy a Ring and can weather the loss of $30k in valuables (which is a terrible thing and I can only imagine how traumatic it would be, I would probably buy a ring after that as well) really need to make sure that the pickup truck sniffer gets the maximum jail time?

Our prisons are supposed to be some of the most crowded in the world.[1] There are networks just for exfelons to try and get jobs because so much of the gen pop turns them away at this instant red flag.[2] Among Americans who aren't in prison >50% can't pay a $500 emergency expense.

I'm willing to accept that a lot of these people could work hard and reach a higher level of financial security in life but they choose not to. I have no issues with you having worked hard and wanting to protect what you've earned and making sure others don't pillage your things.

Does an extra 5 years in prison for the truck snooper really make you feel safer? Do we really need to make sure that more people are subjected to our prison system that does little to rehabilitate people?

Will fear and mistrust bring us a safer nation? What is really gained by you personally by ensuring that the perp get's twice the sentence? Does it bring you twice your lost assets? Do you fundamentally gain in anyway by putting a nonviolent offender into a cage for extra time?

Maybe the hope is that we can lock up all the criminals and the streets will be safe of porch pirates. I've heard somewhere that you can't have the top without the bottom. If we get rid of the least violent criminals committing the crimes that have a low and local impact who do we expect to be left to represent that necessary bottom but the mass thieves of fake financial firms and slaughter happy killers?

To put it in a very abstract metaphorical way: If you stumble on a hike and twist your ankle and have to break a branch off of a tree to use as a support to get you home... how much should you suffer for breaking that branch? should they also compound all the twigs you stepped on into your sentence?

[1]https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2019.html [2]https://exoffenders.net/employment-jobs-for-felons/ [3]https://www.forbes.com/sites/maggiemcgrath/2016/01/06/63-of-...

2 comments

I'm definitely for prison reform, and for mitigating wealth inequality. However, the fact that our prisons are overcrowded and we have a lot of poor people in our country does not excuse crime like this. Burglary is not comparable to a non-violent drug offense, for instance. It is an invasion of someone's property, privacy and well-being. It is more comparable to rape than just a simple drug offense. I have no sympathy for thieves and I'm fine with wanting them to be locked up away from society.
On the other hand I guess maximum prison sentences makes sense under the idiom "from those who have everything more will be given, from those who have nothing more will be taken"
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